Well Bred vs Backyard Bred - Page 12

Not necessarily, crhuerta, despite some having tried to make it such.  I have already acknowledged that I like both but I'll not accept claims that one side or the other is somehow physically superior when the same factors and limitations affect both.

Howdy again,
Keith, your posts are something ! I can actually feel how you are burning, yet you choose not to vent. My outmost repect to you. Thank You .
KC, thank you, I am humbeld. Yet I have to admit, it is only my experience that I was lucky enough to obtain over the years. And, I have to admit, I was tought from "oldtimers". So yes, thank you for the pad on the back, but it was something I experienced over the years, with the knowledge of peopel that know way more than I about our breed.
Yoshy, way to go, I also dont let a chance go by where I can learn something, that's great. Neverless, I said it many times, if you see a certain trait in a certain dog, and are willing to devellop this trait, you will most likely see the results. And that counts for every breed. I, myself encountered a Poodle doing a drugsearch. Of course he did not find anything, but at the countersearch he was right on. My respect to the handler, who saw the ability of this certain dog.
I dont have a VA dog, but I do own a female , that is more that I can wish for. A female that has a drive that I really like to see, not giving up under any cecumtances, yet she is a SL. I owned females out of Eros vom Busecker Schloß, hard as hard can be, great dogs.
But the questions for me is,as a breeder, do we really need extrem hardness anymore ? Or is the look on, what our breed is ment to be, on a versitile character of more importance ? A dog that could be, given it is raised accordingly, could do what we desire ?
My aproach right now is, I want a pup that could be lead by me into the purpose I see for it. Believe me, the pup will tell me in a very short periot of time , if I was wrong or right !
Hey, MaxBear, even if you dont find anything of your intrest, shoot me a line, it may be possible to help you in your search. Even if not., a beer is always an excuse for anything !!
Ulli

"keith i am actually going this weekend to me jiri at hans. jiri worked there for 21 years. and is now the national breed warden for czech. So I will have all weekend to pull and consede the validity of information researched 1st hand from the man that made a lot of it happen. This is a lot of my interest and reasonings for going.

So hopefully here shortly we can hold a side bar and discuss this in greater detail."

Not what I'd consider an unbiased source, Yoshy, but his perspectives should be interesting nonetheless.  I'll look forward to it!

Oh MaxBear, the side does not excist anymore, sorry. Many company are settling down on the former side, also some Pubs, maybe we can have that beer right there ??
Ulli

oskar the questions you were asking yourself in your reply. I think they have there places. I personally like hard raw dogs. I also have a pretty handler soft dog as well. There is a point to the extreme on both sides that becomes detrimental to the work or task given. So i think the beauty is in the eye of the beholder there.

I also judge dogs on the dog itself. I know a guy that was subject to the fad of SAR dogs need to be prickly eared. He had a nice yellow lab that was a great dog and successful in his work. But he was weak and gave the dog up for a shepherd because they ran him down so much. I see it quite often. So this convo was never intended for dog bashing. I think Keith and I realize that even if some others didn't.

I think that's maybe some of the problem with breeding and breeders. Show Line vs. Working Line. Not everyone can handle extreme. I intentionally bought my BYB because of the breeder being known to breed the most extreme working Cattle Dogs on the East coast. These dogs with no papers are rippin up the rodeo, bull pen and farm yards. Everytime I noticed the best and most extreme cattle dog at these events ... it was always bred by the same breeder. After a few years of inquiring, I decided to get one. I wasn't looking for anything other than a serious working dog.

Same with my Malinois, I intentionally researched for the most extreme pedigree Malinois .. not by pedigree data but by videos. Then I deliberately bought a pup from the most controversial Malinois on the internet.

Alot of people say these 2 dogs are crazy, fringe, maniacs, unstable, on edge .... but, I don't think so. They can be at times, and I let them, they just like showing off. No matter how fringe I let them get, they always listen when it's time to quit. This is what people can't get over ... one extreme to the next. Push button.

So, I would have to believe showline people do not breed for serious work, and some workingline people don't breed for serious work. Or maybe .. ohhh never mind.

I dunno, I'm not a breeder. Here's both maniacs. Granduer is 5 months Sara is 2 years in this pix.

Here is another example of show line that was a working K9.  I can't really say as to shelf life as he was poisoned when he was eight.  He was the dog I handled before Barbie.  Sorry the picture isn't a stack, the only one I could find to update his pedigree with was the old dept. wall photo.


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