Well Bred vs Backyard Bred - Page 3

 Any pup can develope health problems,some with skin problems,  chronic ear problems, temperament problems, to little drive,  to much drive and the list goes on and on. Are the breeders responsible, certainly some can be attributed to bad breedings from any given breeding regardless of who performed the breeding, byb, hobby,working or show. Some of this can also be attributed to the owners of these dogs,how well they were socialized, amount of quality time spent with the puppy, developing the drives in the puppy, giving the puppy the proper food for healthy growth and developement, did the puppy  recieve the health care it needed, this list goes on and on also.Great dogs regardless of venues whether it be work, show, herder,sar,police, or companion are developed with attention, training, love, praise and a lot of time to reach these goals.  The debate on working versus show I,m in the middle and for my purposes the working x show crosses with no extremes from either side fill my needs. I think breeding for extremes in either direction causes  physical as well as mental problems in todays lines.

nonacona , It is also sad that so many are labeled as byb when many have very good bloodlines in their breeding programs and try to produce  well balanced puppies for companion homes as well as other venues, at a reasonable price.Some people labeled as such actually have a vast amount of knowledge about the breed as well as the lines they breed, the show and working line breeders are not the only ones in possesion of knowledge and experience.So when you are offended by you association with bybs you might be in better company then you think. So if you don't like being bashed maybe you should give some thought to your own remarks.Furthermore if you are a breeder of hockwalking slope backed gsd's  bred for their ability to gait around a ring in hope of winning a ribbon, then you do far more harm to the breed then you have the ability to comprehend.                                                                               Michael

"So if you don't like being bashed maybe you should give some thought to your own remarks.Furthermore if you are a breeder of hockwalking slope backed gsd's bred for their ability to gait around a ring in hope of winning a ribbon, then you do far more harm to the breed then you have the ability to comprehend. "



Exac- a- lac -tly!

Nonacona and Maggie.......................you still don't get it. Nonacona was the one who used his/her own  VA bred dogs as an example of how BYB dogs are healthier. When I state why, I'm "bashing."

I quit.

"gimme10mins...with all due respect, your dogs are show dogs. Bred for single purpose, inbred, linebred, etc. I think you would have a very different perspective if you owned several working line dogs and compared them to BYB dogs as opposed to VA dogs. VA dogs are the worst of the worst, genetically speaking. I'm not bashing your dogs, just pointing out facts."

With all due respect, facts?  Have you ever owned a VA dog?  Do you know anything about their genetics or for that matter, the genetics of the breed in general since its inception?

Hey Everyone, I think this a lively conversation. Yes I have showline dogs. I finally lucked up and got my Viernheimi Fanta (Savvi) She is a great dog with and awesome temperament great drives and nerves and she has great bloodlines. She has 'a' normals hips. However I have been trying to breed her and she doesnt' breed naturally. You have to hold her and her vulva doesn't swell very big. She was bred before but she had to be held and the males had to be guided in. She produced healthy robust puppies with great temperaments and structure. She was a great mom and all of them have been prelim good all seven. I think its proper to mention her litter was by a full DDR import male. Of course I bashed for doing this breeding but I'm happy with what I produced.

But before my girl Savvi, I purchased samson who was from great lines he turned out to be severly dysplastic but had a great temperament. And he still lives with my mom and he is almost eight. Before Samson I had another samson who had great lines but he had demodectic mange he had to be put to sleep. Before him I had Spaidz my first full german dog she was DDR and West German Showlines. She had a great temperament but I got her xrayed and she was mildly dysplastic. When my family and I moved she was sold and re xrayed and received a score of fair and produced a great litter with Mambo Thuringer Weg and most of those puppies turned out to be dysplastic.

I have owned several purebred shepehrds that were from BYB and they have come heat like clockwork produced excellent health litters and they themselves passed OFA. I now have a miniature schnauzer also who is from awesome champion lines. She has an underbite with an umbilical hernia and she seems prone to ear infections. I helped my friends get schnauzers but they didn't care about lines and all their dogs are the same age as mine they are from BYB and they have NO PROBLEMS AT ALL

I was just wondering why it seems as if those dogs that dont' come fromt the champion lines tend to have a lot of the issues. I know that dogs from BYB can come with problems and many do have issues but from my own experienced I have had better luck with dogs who didn't come from those Champions lines who just came from loving home with pet dogs who were just breeding either just to make a little extra money or just allow others to have the opportunity to share the joy they do.

Implifies? I learn so many words here. I think it means turning something into a small, mischevious, pesky creature from hell. 

PS.  "American bred GSD's are NOT judged on beauty. They are judged by the GSD standard for conformation" is pretty much the definition of judging for beauty.

nona
AKC showing of American bred GSD's are NOT judged on beauty. They are judged by the GSD standard for confirmaton.

Baloney. They are judged only on what is the current fad of conformation.  And that current fad makes non show people sick to their stomachs.  That's all it is, a perverted beauty contest.

Yup, gotta agree with GSDRULE.  Sad  but true.