animal cruelty ? - Page 4

"Tess, my cowboy ex didn't lose any of them, but that's because he was doing it from training by his father, grandfather, and other old cowboys. Almost as good as vet school, and in breeding matters, MUCH BETTER."

I agree with you wholeheartedly.  Although on spays, yes, I do wonder what he was using for pain management.  Probably chloroform for the anesthesia, do you know?

As to "Who decides?"  that's what gets me.  It's hackers like this guy carving up his old dog for a benign cyst, causing infection---it's yahoos like that that get stupid laws passed.

Thanks MaggieMae. Then there we have it. It was stupid for him to do it, if it didn't matter.

In many states of the Union this would be perfectly legal as long as he is not operating on someone else's animal and animal does not needlessly suffers.
This E.J. Finocchio should get a life. On several occasions my dog got infection after surgery at vet's clinic. Explain to me how is this a cruelty in R.I. but not in AZ or Wy that is if the animal did not needlessly suffered?  JMO
Prager Hans

Tess, I think it was chloroform. 

Because it's R.I. Hans. Out West, and in other parts of the U.S., it's still OK to treat your own animals. I'm all for it, if you know what you are doing. This guy apparenlty didn't know what he was doing.

Country folk have always doctored their own animals.

To the untrained eye many things on the ranch or farm would seem cruel,
cutting and burning horns,
castrations,
bobbing of tails,
removing spurs from fowl, and de-beaking,
beak rings and hog rings, also rings used on cattle,
the use of a cattle prod, or whip,
a twitch used to hold a horse,
green breaking a horse,
branding,
heaven forbid watching someone butcher and all that involves.

Trappers and fur ranchers must first kill the fur bearer to skin it.
A chicken, duck, rabbit, or turkey has it's head removed while still alive.

A prey animal taken by its predator does not suffer.

Even a fruit or vegetable must be plucked from its live host to be harvested.

And sometimes an animal must simply be humanely put down, this may often involve a firearm.

I don't think someone who knows nothing of this life needs to make any decisions about it period.

City folk just don't get it.  

And this old man was only trying to help his dog, living on a fixed income, doing the best he could.
The only thing suffering here is an old man.

Its already been pointed out Vets have problems with infections every day, so do our doctors and hospitols.

Moons.

Well I do anything I can for my dogs before I go to the vet.I worked for one as a tech so I can do many things.Maybe not take off a tumor...but when my dog was an idiot and jumped of a 12-15ft drop for his stick instead of running down the hill I splinted his leg.I wasn't going to the vet for them to charge me up the wazoo just to do what I use to do all the time at the clinic.I also had some ace to sedate him to make him calm.(That is no an easy thing to do) A month later he told me that he didn't need the splint as he would keep taking it off and he would limp so I didn't let him jump and now he is fine.No limp i am sure that he needs chiropractic work as it messed up his back as well.
Cats use to be castrated without anesthesia and stuffed in a boot. My friend(granted she is a vet) took the back dew-claws off my 6mo GSD pup with kitchen scissors that were put in the fire to cauterize it.She had a local and some pain meds after and she was fine.Was a better job then I have seen in the vet clinic with a scalpel. The only thing I would worry about with the guy that took the tumor off of his dog is the infection.He could have kept it clean and soaked it in Epsom salts or used beta-dine solution to keep infection away.Also if the tumor was connected to a blood source he would have had to tie off the vessel.Maybe people wouldn't have to resort to things if people weren't struggling to make it.I think he loves his dog.He could have just said screw it you cost me too much and dumped the dog!!!  JMO

Here is another one ....

jonathanturley.org/2010/01/22/florida-man-charged-after-killing-dog-in-improvised-surgery-using-super-glue-and-dental-floss/

This is the kind of crap that pisses me off.  I am so sick in tired of the likes of the "hero's of the animal world".  The do gooders, those that think they are such animal lovers that they can tell everyone how and when to take care of their own animals.

As far as this poor guy, he got hammered by an over the top crap law that is about control and money.  The vet wanted to get the message out that everyone needs his services and don't you dare take any business away from me.  He is a lying sack of S... about the cost and everything else that comes out of his a..  I have said for a long time that our enemies are not the back yard breeders, not the puppy mills, not those who do not title their dogs before breeding, but these over the top control freak Animal Rights groups.  They have our politicians in their back pocket, and control is their goal.  They will not be happy until they have taken every freedom that animal owners have away.  These organizations including the Humane Society US are deceitful and will stop at nothing to reach their goals.

These air heads come on here occasionally and spout their crap as well.  Our laws have forgotten that "intent" is what makes a crime for the most part.  This poor guy had his dogs best interest at heart.  As far as Tessj10's comments, you need to do a little research into how pain effects an animal compared to a human.  We get a head ache and don't want to go to work.  Pain has a huge impact on humans.  In animals pain is something that may slow them down but does not devestate them unless it is in the extreme.  From the history of dogs, they have had to go out and hunt or do what they needed to do inspite of pain.  However you choose to look at it, animals response to pain is nothing compared to ours.  Dogs do not experience pain as something devestating, like people, and if you have not observed this in your own dogs, (if you have any) then I am at a loss as what to say.

How many times has infection effected people after surgery or some other injury.  Very common.  Tess, you can call this guy a hack or what ever but I will say this, I would take this man as my neighbor over you in a heart beat.  He is not a control freak demanding eveyone march to his drum beat.  More government intervention is all we need right folks.  Lets all close our eyes, ignore these groups, and in few years when Hollywood actors/actresses have pounded their this hidden agenda into law, and we have no rights to breed, no rights to own working dogs, no rights to have any means of defense including guns, then we can all cry over spilt milk.  I know human nature, no one will do squat to confront these groups.

Well Moons, bet you werent ready for all this.  Nothing in the dog world in which I have spent all of my life in upsets me more than these do gooder empty headed ....................................................................

I am really, really holding myself back from going into a Full Blown Verbal Assault here.....the hypocrisy is overwhelming on this Board.