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Hi guys just wondering if anyone has seen this site mybluedog.com i am thinking of switching to raw after not feeding this way for some time but came across this site and am really concerned about the long term ILL health effects they say that happen long term from feeding raw meat.They say there's research showing that when we feed raw the pancreous gets damaged,threat of parasites,even after freezing and calcium overdose just to name a few.Could someone please help me out with this as this young dog i have seems to be grain intolerant and i want to either find a balanced raw diet which im not sure if any of these guys formulating raw diets even have the education to do it as i know someone in Canada who became rich by putting together some raw ingredients and packaging and selling it from her basement.I did come across a veterinarian and board certified nutritionist in the US at petdiets.com and she agreed reluctantly to formulate the diet for me but claimed there was no nutritional benefits from feeding raw and told me she does not agree with feeding raw cause of the many risks.I am noticing that alot of people,vets and breeders are feeding this way with much sucess.How would you know when its to much bone or protein or veges?as you can see i want to do it because it does sort of make sense but this time around im scared especially after a very bad experiance with a GSD years ago.Your feedback is highly appreciated and thank you to all that e-mailed me privatly on my BAD BREEDER in PACHIM GERMANY post i listed yesterday.Im a little puzzled why in a few short hours it was removed.Does anyone know why they removed it,after all i had not at this point named the people untill i could find out that im within my legal rights which up to this morning i still cant get an answer from the law firm i asked.Thanks,you are all a great bunch

Ask Jantie He is an expert on Raw food. He killed many dogs by giving raw food to them. Right now he is writing a thesis on raw food. He is going to offer a real help to you.

You're so funny Suhail. Think I'm starting to like you. I will send you a bag, Sweetheart. For free. As a x-mas present.

Forgot to mention this: glancing at your very interesting website, I couldn't help noticing you needed some more input: Nirk comes from "von der Werther-Mühle". He was born september 10th, not 9th. Lardo comes from "vom Stieglerhof" (please do correct Steigler.) Tina and Toska come from "vom Zabers Hof" if I'm not mistaken. And there is no "Kenny" vom Fountain Blue. I'm pretty sure you meant "Keney", SZ2152967. Do ad a "d" at the end of "Maifel" also please. The kennel name is "vom Maifeld". And Pan-Tau comes from "von Oasis". This info, of course, has been offered to you fully free of charge. Always happy to help a novice. Happy New Year!

Regarding this post. This person has a direct quote to a vet link. Vets make billions yearly selling commercial dog food and cashing in when your pet gets sick. A quote in his/her post -"Hear what just a few vets have to say.)" Aside from recent worldwide news about how dangerous it is to feed your pet this commercial concoction called food Gouvernment articles show that commercial dog food companies are able to bypass the laws regulating the making of what they call "pet food", subject to which State they have their factories. Dog food companies are thus able to include the millions of carcasses from sick and poisoned spca dogs and cats. Please do some discriminate reading, simply put vets are there to make money, if you feed your dog raw diet they don't make a cent plus your pet will live longer and healthier. Not something that is conducive to a lucrative vet practice. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!!! Richard

One more thing, here's a direct quote from an inforative website not trying to sell you services. "Because of persistent rumors that rendered by-products contain dead dogs and cats, the FDA conducted a study looking for pentobarbital, the most common euthanasia drug, in pet foods. They found it. Ingredients that were most commonly associated with the presence of pentobarbital were meat-and-bone-meal and animal fat. However, they also used very sensitive tests to look for canine and feline DNA, which were not found. Industry insiders admit that rendered pets and roadkill were used in pet food some years ago. Although there are still no laws or regulations against it, the practice is uncommon today, and pet food companies universally deny that their products contain any such materials. However, so-called “4D” animals (dead, dying, diseased, disabled) were only recently banned for human consumption and are still legitimate ingredients for pet food." And here's the webiste: http://www.api4animals.org/facts.php?p=359&more=1 Personally, we have a 4.5 year old boxer raw fed and in the most splendid health you can imagine. Fresh pork hind quarters sell for 79 cents a pound at our supermarket. Naurally we balance out the diet with raw eggs, oats, rice, fruit, etc. etc. Best wishes for you and your pets the coming year!

You guys are hilarious.

The most highly recommended dog foods from veterinarians (Hill's Science Diet prescrition foods) are mostly grain products, with lots of corn and wheat meal. I refuse to feed this garbage to my animals. Vets make a small fortune off these foods. Hovever, due to factory farming which is becoming increasingly common in N. America, a very high percentage of raw meat is contaminated with harmful bacteria (salmonella, E. coli, Camplyobacter, Colostridium difficile, etc.) I won't feed raw to my pets, either. The bones from raw foods often cause digestive problems in dogs (perforation and obstruction of the bowel.) This happens infrequently, but stiil, once is too often, IMO. I don't need any vet bills that could have been prevented. The routine ones are quite enough!

Excellent point Sunsilver. What do you feed tho? I'm almost at a loss anymore when it comes to something I trust [store bought]

Here in Canada, the local pet food franchise is Pet Valu. The couple who ran our local store until recently also raised and showed Golden Retrievers, and have done so for the last 30 years. They usually had one of the pups in the store, being socialized, and they always looked just great. They told me they fed their dogs the Pet Valu house brand, Performatrin. So, I decided, if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. Tasha was fed Perormatrin almost exclusively, and live to be 14. My current dogs get Performatrin Super Premium Large-Breed. Here's the difference it made in Ranger, my male recue's coat: Ranger on el-cheapo grocery store food, plus lots of table scraps, in his former 'home': Ranger on Performatrin Large Breed: Performatrin was not one of the foods involved in the recent pet-food recall. I think they had a cuts-and-gravy style food that was, but all their other foods were clean. I read labels, but I refuse to let my dog's food become an obsession. I grew up with my relatives' farm dogs, who were fed table scraps and cheap dog food, and mostly lived to be a healthy old age. I'd cook for my dogs, but I have no way of knowing what the nutritional balance of a home-made diet would be. My personal thoughts, as a biologist, are that dogs have been domesticated for a long, long time. Their digestive systems and teeth have changed in that time, and become more adapted to eating a human diet. Yes, they are still carnivores, but if you compare their teeth and jaws to those of a wild wolf (and, as a student in a faunal osteology course, I was able to do exactly that!) you will see the wolf has much larger, sharper teeth. The osteology collection I studied also had the complete skeleton of a Native American dog burial, dated to the time before European contact. Its teeth and jaws bore very little resemblance to those of the wolf. They were both much smaller, showing that the dogs had been domesticated for many hundreds of years, and adapted to eating a human diet. So, I see absolutely no justification for feeding a raw diet, and believe it may be very dangerous. I worked for a vet for awhile, and saw a dog spend at least a week in the clinic, while a chunk of bone worked its way through its bowels, with the help of lots of laxitives. The bill came to around $1,000, and this was 1970's dollars! Our cat also ran up a very expensive bill, when it decided to hunt for its own breakfast, and had its bowel perforated by a bird bone. Sorry, I don't need that sort of unnecessary expense! I have also heard of young pups developing diarrhea and serious infections from eating raw meat, most often chicken. Older dogs may have immunity to these bugs, but the very young, and the old and weak do not. As much as 70% of commercially raised chicken is contaminated with Salmonella, Listeria, Camplyobacter, and E. coli. That's why we are advised to take precautions when handling raw chicken. You feed you dog raw, you sterilize the food preparation area and his dishes carefully, but he can still spread it to you when he licks your hand or face afterwards, and the bacteria may also be shed in his feces. Ask me what it's like to get a Camplyobacter infection from undercooked chicken: I can tell you first hand...NOT FUN!! Fever, diarrhea, on a clear liquid diet for 10 days...you want to risk that?? Go right ahead, it's a free country. But I won't be feeding my dogs raw anytime soon!