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DDR-DSH

by DDR-DSH on 14 April 2010 - 07:04

There seems to be quite a bit of controversy on the use of dog carrier / travel kennels for use as secondary housing (not primary housing). In other words, a temporary place to put your dog, in between outings and exercise and training periods.

Naturally, portable dog carriers were originally designed for the airline travel of pets, but have come to be used widely by dog breeders and pet owners; Also for use in the professional kennel, training and care facility and home (for housebreaking or while owner is away). Some people live in very hot or cold areas and must use a portable carrier inside the home or garage to protect small animals from temperature extremes.

The plastic portable units are not sturdy enough to hold up for long term use as a primary or frequent housing, and are slightly smaller and much lighter because they were designed for air travel (where weight and dimensions are critical factors for cost control).

However.. We have seen many all-stainless steel units which are manufactured in a "bank" or stacked row, usually two-tiered. These are widely in use in small animal veterinary practices, animal control or "rescue" facilities, grooming and boarding businesses, and are of similar dimensions to the pet carrier, but much less deep (individual boxes are generally square interior.. that is, a bit wider, but less deep). This may be more practical inside of a working area of a large room or hall, where wall space is more available, to conserve working room space. These are made in the USA by several manufacturers, but are not practical for use by non-professionals, due to the very high cost.

I didn't bother to look up any of those (I may, later), but I have done a comparative analysis of the US manufactured portable dog carriers with the "Vereinsboxen" or "Hundeboxen" widely used in Germany at the many "Ortsgruppen" or dog training clubs in that country. Many club members live in flats or apartments in the city and do not have a yard or the space or permission to keep a dog at home, so the dog is kept at the Ortsgruppen and the Hundeboxen can become the primary living space for the dog. The arrangement is much like a public horse stable in the USA.. There is almost always someone around at the dog club and members can make arrangements with each other to care for and exercise each others' dogs on the training grounds, also do clean up duty as needed.  <continued>

DDR-DSH

by DDR-DSH on 14 April 2010 - 07:04

The largest manufacturer of this sort of kennel equipment (or any kennel equipment) in Germany is Bromet, Gmbh. I am enclosing a link to their page so that you can see what this "Vereinsboxen" or "Hundeboxen" is like. The dimensions of each individual unit is only very slightly larger in regards to width and height, and is not quite 20% deeper. I have given the original dimensions in metric (meters), then the conversion into inches.

Bromet Vereinsboxen (Hundeboxen)
http://www.bromet.de/hundeboxen_vereinsbox_reihenanlage.html

.80 m = 31.4960 inches ( hoch / height)
.75 m = 29.5275 inches (breit / width)
1.25 m = 49.2125 inches (tief / depth)

Remington dog carrier dimensions

Dimensions: 30” H x 28” W x 40” D
(said to be suitable for up to a 90 lb dog)

http://www.allpetfurniture.com/Remington-RA40-RMG1004.html

This is a randomly selected manufacturer of a typical LARGE size dog carrier / portable kennel.
Wire kennels have become increasingly popular, because they are more durable, and many are collapsible and portable.

I'm going to see if I can send some pictures of these and other units. Bromet also has a walk-in kennel and this is the largest unit, with a wood floor. It seems to be about 4' x 8'.. not very large, really and is enclosed on three sides with a roof and a wire front. They do not use chain link in Germany. They use a woven or welded wire, similar to what we use in tool cribs. It's better for the dogs. Chainlink is very unsuitable, really and quite dangerous, as it is easy to bend and damage by the dogs teeth and jaws.

Sock Puppet

by Sock Puppet on 14 April 2010 - 07:04

I thought you are retired.You should take up a hobby, what are you retired from the Military??

DDR-DSH

by DDR-DSH on 14 April 2010 - 07:04

Since we all pretty much take it at face value that the Germans are the master craftsmen with regard to the keeping and training of working dogs, and since very few of them even use the larger walk-in kennels or have a place to put them, well.. This may be one of the reasons why dogs are so frequently available for sale, there. In the US, private owners seldom would think to sell a pet, but in Germany, where it is a sport / hobby for many people to train dogs (and living conditions and lifestyles may change more frequently than the 12 -15 year life of the dog) it is very logical then to train a young dog, sell it, and buy another one, until the hobbyist moves on to another sport or hobby, or changes lifestyle. After all, there is a market for trained dogs, there. Most people live within a close distance (often walking or bicycling distance) of the training club, and the training club meets almost every night as a social outlet for members, this is a very natural way to own and enjoy the dog.

Double tiered Vereinsboxen for dogs, by Bromet gmbh, Germany

Single tiered Vereinsboxen for dogs, by Bromet gmbh, Germany

DDR-DSH

by DDR-DSH on 14 April 2010 - 07:04

Sock Puppet.. You NEVER leave, do you? Every time I come on here, you are here.. I don't think you have a life! I almost feel sorry for you, now!

Sock Puppet

by Sock Puppet on 14 April 2010 - 07:04

Really. Come on humor me what did you do for 25.00 an hour.

DDR-DSH

by DDR-DSH on 14 April 2010 - 07:04

The many professional kennels which raise and keep malinois and other working breeds in Germany and other European countries also use this type of a box for primary housing, sometimes much more restrictive, with less visibility.

These ones made by Bromet have a removable back panel (solid) and wire, so that there is the possibility of better cross ventilation and air flow. This is a critical feature, since it can get very hot (and cold) in Germany in some months.

There are virtually no concrete and chain link kennels in Germany.. concrete, yes, sometimes, or another kind of paving.. often dirt.

DDR-DSH

by DDR-DSH on 14 April 2010 - 07:04

I did a man's work.. skilled technical work, out in the field, outside in all weather (no snow / ice). That's all you need to know.

Sock Puppet

by Sock Puppet on 14 April 2010 - 07:04

That is side stepping the question, you want us to understand but you won't share. I am not asking what company or anything like that just want to understand.

DDR-DSH

by DDR-DSH on 14 April 2010 - 07:04

It was a man's work, but good enough for a woman, and I sure cleaned up after a lot of lazy guys, over the years. Dogs never made a penny for me. I'd be a relatively wealthy woman today if I had never gotten into dogs. There were people I worked with, on the same pay scale, who took the overtime I turned down. Some of them made over $110,000 in one year. I stuck to about $40,000 per year and only worked OT if it was needed to meet service demands. I preferred to have a balanced life and time for my family, home and dogs.





 


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