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by 4pack on 18 February 2011 - 05:02
by MaggieMae on 18 February 2011 - 06:02
by 4pack on 18 February 2011 - 06:02
by Niesia on 09 March 2011 - 23:03
Great thread. And let me stir it a bit with a question – Why only Am line GSD breeders get hate mails? I have never heard of Am line GSD breeders/lovers sending hate mails to German line GSD breeders…
The breeder I got my girl from was laughing at those hate mails. He was a long time, well known breeder of Am Lines and he was receiving hate e-mails, letters and phone calls daily from people whom he has never had any contact with…
by Sunsilver on 10 March 2011 - 02:03
Believe me, you need to get the full story!
by Niesia on 10 March 2011 - 03:03
Of course there are two sides of each story. But unfortunately it was not a single example...
By the way - I bought my dog from him and I am not sorry - it was very difficult to buy his puppy - especially from famous breeding. His dogs are known for heads, personality, movement and ability to reproduce their looks. They rarely go to pet homes. If they do, those are usually dogs with faults that he clearly states in a contract. He guarantees his dogs and is always available to discuss any issues and help you with his knowledge. He screens his stock very carefully and is very critical about his breeding. If you see a dog in a ring that attracts your attention and you say WOW - it's usually his. I would take with me any dog in his kennel in a heartbeat. Actually I should be talking about him in a past tense since she passed away couple of years ago. He was a cool guy, breeding show cattle as well.
But I agree with you that there are American breeders that breed dogs that should never be bred (some of them I even know in person). They perpetuate faults that I consider very serious. I am not “line blind” and I wouldn’t breed the dog just because it achieved it Ch status. But at the same time, even though I prefer Am lines, I wouldn’t be sending hate mails to competing breeder – would you? What’s the point?
by Niesia on 10 March 2011 - 03:03
In my previous post I mentioned that those hate mails were from people that he had never had any contact with, so those are not people that he sold his dogs to... If I would be an example of a person he sold his dog to - I would say - don't hasitate - go and get a dog from him. Tell him what you are looking for and he'll set you up with a right pup.
by zdog on 10 March 2011 - 04:03
i've gotten hate mails from some d-bags and i've never bred a dog in my entire life. What's your point?
What part about "working dog" don't people understand?
I don't care where you get dogs from, I don't care what kind they are. The only thing I care is you love them, train them and give them a good life.
But if you're breeding and claiming to breed GSD's they are a working dog, they require working drives, they require testing and pressure and must pass on those working traits.
It's not that my dogs have a job. They are my companions first and foremost, just like everyone else's. But the big difference is they have in them what it takes to do it. They are very stable, very driven and very fricking cool in my opinion.
So I don't really care if your dog "works", but it should be able to if you're breeding. If you can't, do everyone a favor and quit paying lip service to everyone else's hard work. Quit rationalizing what you're doing and realize that it is a working dog and should remain as such.
by Niesia on 10 March 2011 - 05:03
I agree that they should be able to be "working dogs" or “dogs with a job” – I am a big promoter of The Golden Middle Standard. Working dog should be able to perform any task that owner wants him to do - be extremely versatile. Breeding for extremes never ends up well. But every litter of GSD may produce something special – a dog with extreme nose, extreme smarts or other extreme skill. That goes for any litter of dogs (including mixed breed).
I agree with testing but the problem is with tests themselves and people who breed them just to pass the ‘test’. When the 'test' prefers more driven dog, people start to breed for the extreme drives. Medium drive dog is more difficult to train to perform the ‘test’ but still can do it. High drive dogs are good only for experienced and dedicated owners. When sent to a regular household – it’s usually a mess. It took me couple of years of teach my girl to control her drives and make them useful to me and she has only medium drive. So I cannot even imagine how it is to live with the really ‘high drive puppy’. What use do regular person have from a dog that needs to be kenneled unless being ‘worked’? I want a dog 100% trustworthy in my house, with my kids, pets and guests - doesn’t matter what kind of training it went through. I want the dog I can take with me anywhere I go without being on constant alert. I want a dog that I can take to the park with my kids and be sure that everything will be OK.
And I would like to specify my understanding of a “working dog”. For me the working dog is the dog that performs tasks that are of a benefit to his human, whatever they may be. That goes for guarding, protection, dog sport, police, army, search & rescue, therapy dog, etc. In my opinion GSD should be a versatile breed, not bred to perform just one type of task. And dog’s look is as important as his abilities. I’m personally drawn to ‘nobility’ because this illusive quality comes hand in hand with the best characteristics of a dog as a whole.
by FlashBang on 10 March 2011 - 14:03
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