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by Sunsilver on 15 February 2011 - 17:02
I fully agree with Sheesh... a HUGE improvement over 4 or 5 years ago! (BTW, Jimmy was there last year but missed the year before.) However, I did see quite a few dogs that were cowhocked, had loose hocks, or both. Many also had long, weak pasterns.
The winning bitch had a weak left ear, and looked to be a bit cowhocked. I thought her overall structure was nice, but her angulation was a bit extreme in the rear. I would not have expected her to place first.
The dog really made me go WOW! when I saw him was the AOM winner, Covy-Tucker Hill's TjR's Marc Flex. I also liked that he had some performance titles after his name. I was suprised by him, because Covy-Tucker Hill used to breed the most extreme hock-walkers around!
I also liked the Imp-Cen bitch that took the female AOM. Their dogs are mostly line bred on Dallas, and they've been producing some pretty good stock. My bitch's dam was an Imp-Cen dog, out of Dallas, so maybe I'm a bit biased....
Rik, we can only hope, eh?
Does the AKC now require a performance title for a dog to get its championship? I'm starting to see that more frequently.
The winning bitch had a weak left ear, and looked to be a bit cowhocked. I thought her overall structure was nice, but her angulation was a bit extreme in the rear. I would not have expected her to place first.
The dog really made me go WOW! when I saw him was the AOM winner, Covy-Tucker Hill's TjR's Marc Flex. I also liked that he had some performance titles after his name. I was suprised by him, because Covy-Tucker Hill used to breed the most extreme hock-walkers around!
I also liked the Imp-Cen bitch that took the female AOM. Their dogs are mostly line bred on Dallas, and they've been producing some pretty good stock. My bitch's dam was an Imp-Cen dog, out of Dallas, so maybe I'm a bit biased....
Rik, we can only hope, eh?
Does the AKC now require a performance title for a dog to get its championship? I'm starting to see that more frequently.
by Psycht on 15 February 2011 - 17:02
Does the AKC now require a performance title for a dog to get its championship? I'm starting to see that more frequently.No, the AKC does not require a performance title to get a championship. However, more and more people are titling both ends of the dog's name. Still a long ways to go but it is a nice trend to see.
by Sunsilver on 15 February 2011 - 18:02
Yes, that is a VERY nice trend to see! 
by Louise M. Penery on 15 February 2011 - 19:02
They all look like someone's beloved POS pets. You must remember that all dogs entered at Westminster must already be AKC breed champions--so, no other classes. Some judges must have liked them at one time or another. The poor quality results from poor judging--not frome breeders with poor values.
by wrestleman on 16 February 2011 - 01:02
These are all pets who have all the working ability bred out of them..Jimmy Moses would not know a working dog if it bit his but. He handles foo foo show dogs for great deals of $ , which I have no problem with if he can get people to pay him. I once saw him in Pa. with a dog he was claiming to be capable of schutzhund and it made everyone laugh this dog had no drives for anything but to gait and be petted. Watch this for what it is entertainment simple and to the point That weak eared dog was nothing. To cross these with west German Show dogs would yes give them better structure and a little better temperament but nothing else would be gain much. It would just weaken the German lines..... and they do not need to get any weaker...If you want a pet go to a shelter and get one.
by Don Corleone on 16 February 2011 - 01:02
Wrestleman, reminds me of WWF! Looks the part, but it's just a show.
by jc.carroll on 16 February 2011 - 02:02
I also agree the GSD shown was a huge improvement over pervious years.
While she might not be my cup of tea compared to what I like, it was nice to see a dog that wasn't ridiculously slight of bone, and over-stretched. It was also nice to see titles at both ends. Herding dogs that actually have herding titles! I find this a very nice developement, and I hope it continues.
While she might not be my cup of tea compared to what I like, it was nice to see a dog that wasn't ridiculously slight of bone, and over-stretched. It was also nice to see titles at both ends. Herding dogs that actually have herding titles! I find this a very nice developement, and I hope it continues.
by wrestleman on 16 February 2011 - 02:02
Don, I could not have said it any better u are so right
by Niesia on 16 February 2011 - 03:02
I don't think that the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show is the best representation of the American Line German Shepherds. I know many better dogs that are shown in the local clubs… But to show your dog there you have to be “INVITED” therefore it’s the Westminster Kennel Club that is responsible for the quality of GSDs being shown…
By the way, who had an idea of cramming all of those GSDs in this little run – you can’t really judge their behavior and movement if they bump into each other all the time. ..
By the way, who had an idea of cramming all of those GSDs in this little run – you can’t really judge their behavior and movement if they bump into each other all the time. ..
by Niesia on 16 February 2011 - 04:02
Wrestleman,
I assume that you belong to the group that thinks that your “type” of dog is better than everybody else’s is…
There is a great difference between Sieger Show and GSDCA Nationals. Dogs are trained to perform differently depending on where they are going to be shown so please don’t compare it…
American Lines didn’t “loose” their ability… We discourage nipping behavior in puppies and train them to be dogs that everyone can live with. You can make American dog do Schutzhund – just start with the puppy from good parents with good drive and train it as it would be a good working type dog with good drive. We don’t like aggressive dogs and tend not to breed them as it is passed onto new generation. It took me three years of training to ‘tame’ my American girl’s “drive”. She was naturally ‘herding’ horses when she was 5 months old – I didn’t train her to do it. Actually I hand to train her to stop herding them as people became uncomfortable having their horses ‘herded’ by the GSD. My girl has all the qualities of the GSD I always wanted. She’s healthy, she’s got ‘brains’and temperament to die for, she is fully trustworthy, great family companion, good retriever, did agility (before I had kids), protective of home and family and all family pets (2 cats, goldfish and a chipmunk) yet never bit anybody, good on a walk in downtown Seattle, great at the dog park with other dogs - and I am sorry to disappoint you - she is ALL American!
I come from Poland (bordering Germany) where until 1970’s German Shepherd Dogs dogs used to look a lot like American lines now (that’s the main reason I chose American line in the first place). You could even show American dogs in Germany and German dogs in America and you wouldn’t notice the difference…
I assume that you belong to the group that thinks that your “type” of dog is better than everybody else’s is…
There is a great difference between Sieger Show and GSDCA Nationals. Dogs are trained to perform differently depending on where they are going to be shown so please don’t compare it…
American Lines didn’t “loose” their ability… We discourage nipping behavior in puppies and train them to be dogs that everyone can live with. You can make American dog do Schutzhund – just start with the puppy from good parents with good drive and train it as it would be a good working type dog with good drive. We don’t like aggressive dogs and tend not to breed them as it is passed onto new generation. It took me three years of training to ‘tame’ my American girl’s “drive”. She was naturally ‘herding’ horses when she was 5 months old – I didn’t train her to do it. Actually I hand to train her to stop herding them as people became uncomfortable having their horses ‘herded’ by the GSD. My girl has all the qualities of the GSD I always wanted. She’s healthy, she’s got ‘brains’and temperament to die for, she is fully trustworthy, great family companion, good retriever, did agility (before I had kids), protective of home and family and all family pets (2 cats, goldfish and a chipmunk) yet never bit anybody, good on a walk in downtown Seattle, great at the dog park with other dogs - and I am sorry to disappoint you - she is ALL American!
I come from Poland (bordering Germany) where until 1970’s German Shepherd Dogs dogs used to look a lot like American lines now (that’s the main reason I chose American line in the first place). You could even show American dogs in Germany and German dogs in America and you wouldn’t notice the difference…
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