Should Public Sector Employees Be Unionized? - Page 1

Since this is HUGE right now (Wisconsin Public Employees to name just one).   I believe the Unions are "bleeding" our country dry.

I luvvved it when President Reagan fired over 11,000 striking Air Traffic Controllers.   IMO, that is the type of Leadership/Commitment we need now in the U.S. --  before it is too late to turn things around.

If they (we) can't control the size and cost of gov, the gov will destroy the private sector, low and middle class and the value of our currency. Unions and insurance are part of the problem.
What good is a union setting a pay rate when there is no work because no one can afford to have anything done? (or public unions & automatic pay raises when a state is broke)

The big money and the group of international banks that make up the federal reserve could care less about regular people, they will step on us to get global economy profits.
It seems politicians are puppets controlled by people that control big money.
They are sacrificing local business tax revenues (and businesses & jobs ) for global.
State and local govs are starting to feel the pain.

Compete with China? lol

Pretty silly to blame Wisconsin's unions for bankrupting the state by fighting a plan that would save a measly $30 million, when the teabagger governor and the Republicans in the legislature handed out close to $200 mil in tax breaks and "incentives" to business that aren't likely to result in much by way of job creation BEFORE they cried poormouth and claimed they were worried about balancing the budget.

I too am not happy when I drive past a publics works truck and see three guys leaning on shovels while one guy is digging, but I'd rather see that than a bunch of tax cuts for megabusinesses and the super wealthy that never end up creating jobs.  

The issue in Wisconsin is all about a Bill that bans public employees from creating taxpayer funded Unions. In other words the problem in Wisconsin is about the employees not being worth what they are being paid, and that's why the State of Wisconsin wants the Unions non-exist by force.

Now if the public employees are worth what they are being paid, Unions could level the free market while creating equal balance between all states with public employee Unions. This isn't the case in Wisconsin though.

What I see happening, if the free market is promoted in Wisconcinand it's lookin' pretty good, is the Union employees will protest and or quit .. and then someone without a job will take their place for a lower non-union wage IF infact the Union employees are NOT worth what they have been paid. Hence my first para.

It all pretty much boils down to the taxpayers. Taxpayers all across this country are up in arms about every penny spent by the government, long overdue tude's and rightfully so.

What makes Wisconcin so special with this WI Bill and these Union protests is the State has protection by law on the books that do legalize special privileges for Union employees ... BUT that too has been corrupted and munipulated by special interests. Obviously.

So the Taxpayers in Wisconcin want to thwart the coercive privileges previously granted to government employee unions as I mentioned in the para above.

Unions formed by everyday people are fine.. those people fund themselves an can "collectively bargain" in a free market, but Unions protected by State Law are taxpayer driven and abolishable on demand or by force.

JMO.  lol

 ""Unions protected by State Law are taxpayer driven and abolishable on demand or by force"

This makes no sense whatsoever.  All unions are established and regulated pursuant to state and/or federal laws such as the National Labor Relations Act of 1935.

Not every State signed on to that DD. However, CA, NY, PA, NJ, OH, MI. MN, WI, IL, MD did at tha time. I think I named them all, not sure. But not all signed on like your saying.

That Labor Relation Act targeted the major industrial cities at that time. Since about the mid 80's they decided to branch out and get all other states to sign on via the SEIU for a modern example. Not too much luck there after the episodes during the 40's 50's and 60's when the Labor Unions divided some states and named them "swing-states" because of the government control they booked within them.

I thought you didn't like politics or religion ? Change of minds I see. LOL

Donald it don't do any good. They have listened to Fox  and all that bunch of freaks so much they think it's the truth. I thought Big Business, no bid contracts, Wall street , and all the out sourceing jobs, tax breaks for the wealthy, giving foreign aid to countrys who are killing Americans, And spending tax payer dollars to protect oil producing countrys without demanding they pay for their protection. Most people uses their sources of information like a drunk uses a light pole, more for support than illumination.
Hank
member UA local 598
Pipe Welders and Pipe Fitters

BE4U, I suggest you read the Wagner Act a/k/a the National Labor Relations Act of 1935, and also Article VI of the U.S. Constitution (Supremacy Clause).  The bottom line is that while the Wagner Act does not require states to recognize public emplyee unions, any such unions still are bound by federal law when it comes to matters relating to how they are run, the election of officers, certification and decertification. etc.

Also, I opposed politics and religion on the dog forums, and still do.  This is not a dog forum - whether it was wise to set up an OT forum remains to be seen, but so long as politics and religion aren't polluting the dog forums then it's all good, IMO.

See now I'd have to post about 30 para's to respond and correct how you posted the Constitution in regards to this Union stuff ..

I gave my opinion on this thread .. I'll leave it at that. Have a good one.  

No. They become a special class with cronyism.