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Don Corleone

by Don Corleone on 08 March 2011 - 18:03


Hedi

by Hedi on 09 March 2011 - 01:03

Trained versus forced?  What is the thought? 

Don Corleone

by Don Corleone on 09 March 2011 - 01:03

Guess it depends on your dog, but it's up to you.

SportySchGuy

by SportySchGuy on 09 March 2011 - 01:03

For a myriad of reasons I think it might be difficult to "teach the dumbell" however it might depend on who the dumbell was.

Slamdunc

by Slamdunc on 09 March 2011 - 17:03

LOL!

by duke1965 on 10 March 2011 - 06:03

im no fan of forced , but you need to put some pressure on the dog to produce a correct exercise
my bitch likes the biteroll , so I started with making her hold that silently , and then changed for dumbell , ball or whatever , she will hold anything still now

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNzKPpaekNw


second half of next clip is also apport

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoLfmjxTrHY

by ALPHAPUP on 10 March 2011 - 16:03

nice post DON !! fundamedntally ... the first question to ask ?? what is the innate , instinctive behavioral traits /tendencies of the dog ??  and as secondary  added traits ,  is the dog independent , possesive , soft/mild/  mannered to name a handful ?? IF you do not understand the dog .. either you or the training director has no business training the dog !  NOW,knowing the dog ..  decide how and what you will teach the dog.. .. Secondly ... With  any behavioral tendency ... IOF the dog decides to do something .. the dog will be more willingly to retireve and more reliable in doing  it ? YES?? ... if so , also  .. decide .. how is it that i will get the DOG to WANT  to perform the behavior .. THAT IS THE KEY !!..  If  you have a soft dog with at least some or a full  willingness to bring back an object  and you choose a 'forced retrieve method'  and  if YOU make the mistake of pushing to hard and with to much force .. you will run the risk of ruining  the attitude for work with this type of dog , or you will just plum break the dogand it's spirit !! .. i have seen some dogs that will just completely shut down , ' learned helplessnes, as it is called'  having used  to much force ... and many endeavors not just retrieves !! to the contrary ..  if you have a possessive , domineering , low retrieve tendency dog .. One better instill in this dog a change of outlook or you will be left holding the dumbell . well DON .. nice subject to post ... this is something you might have said { with wisdom of course] " you can't have a dumbell train a dog to to retireve a dumbell" -- and i would agree with you !!

sueincc

by sueincc on 10 March 2011 - 16:03

Great post Alphadog, you are so right, it all starts with knowing what kind of dog you have.  I also agree that the forced retrieve is only for hard dogs (hard to me is a very resilient dog) and that it can easily  ruin soft dogs, even medium dogs.  It needs to be left in the hands of only the most experienced trainers.

 I think if someone is looking for a dog for top competition then they are looking for  a hard dog who also has a high retrieving tendency and this is the very best candidate for  forced retrieve.  For full points at top level,  the dog can't be "playing" at all, even for a second when he retrieves.  He must run out full throttle, grab the dumbbell on the way out, (not run out, then turn, then grab it), then  run back full throttle, holding the dumbbell with a hard grip the whole time, then sit in front holding the dumbbell up and still gripping it hard.  He must do this EVERY TIME.   This is what forced teaches, the every time, the "I must" attitude, no matter if it's hot outside, or the dog is tired, or he happens to pick up the smell of a bitch in season, all that stuff cannot matter.  The retrieves are worth 40 of  the 100 points, so this is not a little thing!!!


by ALPHAPUP on 10 March 2011 - 18:03

sueincc.. thanks you .. ya ..in neglect ,,,,i fogot to discuss .. :  you are more correct.. best to consider this at puppy selection as it is crucial in Sch ...  .. yes you look for a pup with an innate trait to retrieve.. i have had several pups that 8 weeks old would retrieve a thrown ball right back to hand .. a perfect trait for Sch .wel that eliminates the question as to how i trained that pup !! excellent point sueincc

DebiSue

by DebiSue on 10 March 2011 - 18:03

Duke,
Those are great videos.  Thanks for sharing.
Deb





 


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