Breeder won't lift Limited registration - Page 7

Am I hot under the collar over this?  You bet and here is why:  In 1992 I imported this Tiekerhook dog to the USA.     http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=548090

This was a son of Steffi Tiekerhook, one of the greatest mother lines ever.  This dog of mine had crushing grips, a ton of prey drive , great aggression and as clear as a bell in the head.  He was a once in a lifetime dog and you could ask anyone who saw him.   I could have made a real pretty  penny breeding him because a lot of people begged me to let them bring their bitches to him but I never bred him, not once, because he failed OFA in 1994.  People knew he failed and STILL wanted to use him.  So you want to question MY motives?  Screw You  and the damned horse you rode in on. 

Think twice before you make blanket insulting statements questioning the motives of people who happen to disagree with you.

Hey Folks!!!!


                       This is all to do about nothing !!! if you don,t like the idea of buying on limited thats great then don,t if you do just as well. We all know there are idiots and liars out there so what ever people do to cut thru the fog is there business. I would never eat lima beans and i think they suck but I won,t come to blows over anyone else liking them...   

Do what you got to do, Buy what you got to buy, Live with your decision. But Christ!!! don,t blow a gasket over it. It,s opinions just opinions no ones is any better then anyone else,s. 

If you don,t like whats available at this table shop at another.




 

which is why, Sue, that in my post I said I will consider full registration to people I KNOW personally - people who therefore I trust not to breed the dog before it's titled/health checked etc.  If I KNOW you, then I can KNOW if I can trust you or not.  If I don't know you more than any other puppy buyer who calls, e-mails and tells me everything I want to hear - how am I supposed to know if they are honest or not in their intentions?  Answer - I can't possibly know.  I'm not psychic, though I wish I was gifted like that.  So, bottom line is, take it as an insult if you like though my posts and Blackthorn's were certainly not pointed at anyone in particular - if somone calls and has a problem with the limited, won't buy a pup on limited - there is USUALLY a very clear reason.  They intend to breed the dog, or they think they may want to - and they don't intend to title the dog first.  It IS as simple as that from where I'm standing.  And, for me, insulted or not - you don't buy a pup from me and I don't sell you a pup.  No problems then with finding out the hard way that you wished you hadn't bought the pup, or I wished I hadn't sold the pup when someone decides that breeding the untitled/unhealth checked/underaged dog is their right because they own the dog.

molly

boy, this all seems pretty easy.  If you don't like limited registrations or want to jump thru some hoops to get it lifted some day, then don't buy from those breeders.

If you don't mind them, go ahead and buy from them

Hey Bob I have no problem with people having different opinions, I have no problem with breeders who want to sell thier dogs on a limited registration, what I have a REAL BIG PROBLEM with are these smart ass smug jackasses   who continue to question the motives of people like me by implying  the only reason anyone doesn't want to buy a dog on a limited registration is because they plan on breeding or even because in the back of their minds they want the option to breed without meeting minimum agreed upon requirements.
 

Facts are Sue, that's the usual reason people don't want to buy a pup on limited.    I've seen it over and over.  And I don't care if someone like you who of course would NEVER do that  is insulted - there is a reason I sell my pups on limited and that's the reason.  I am thrilled if they are bred after they are titled and hip/elbow rated (same as the parents, grandparents and etc) - I will take any step I need to take to be sure they are not bred before they are proven breedworthy according to my standards for my own program (and the standard set for the SV).

Insulted or not - I'm not sorry for my educated opinion on the matter.  And most people who are turned away from my program because of the limited registration aren't angry, they don't call me names or have a temper tantrum - they just move on and get a puppy elsewhere.

molly

Goodness, Sue, I'm sorry you thought that my post was a slap at you. Perhaps, you should go back and re-read my post before saying that's what I said.

Specifically, I said: 

If someone wants to buy a puppy from me and plans to show or do some other activity that requires full registration--I am always willing to discuss it and consider the situation. But in general, the person who objects to the LR is someone who expects to breed without the xrays or any working verification.

"In general" I said--not everyone, and yes, as I said, I'm willing to make exceptions. But in the past year, I have turned away four buyers because I use limited registration. Each one of them was someone who I didn't know, who didn't work/train/title/show their dogs, who wanted to be able to breed without restrictions--to the male dog they already owned.

In my conversations with these people the hip xray requirement wasn't really a sticking point (at least not at the time when they were considering a puppy), but none of them wanted to put any sort of title on their dog. And my contract is quite liberal--any performance title or working certification. I just want to know that someone put a little bit of effort into the dog and tried to get some understanding of what sort of working ability and personality their dog has--before they breed it.

I have no problem with their decision to go elsewhere--I wish them the best of luck--there are a lot of good dogs out there that they can buy with no restrictions.

Christine

Sue:

          I love you like no other women in my life. 

I think emotions are getting the best of us here. We are all bigger then this post, I don,t think anyone was purposely trying to antagonize any one. 

We are all passionate for our dogs and our training and how we handle our affairs. 

Sue, I certainly don't do it to insult anyone, that's never my intent. There are so many dogs out there, I only want mine protected and this the best way I can think of to do it.  No one has ever appeared offended when I explain why .

Limited registraion was my alternative to spay/neuter agreements. I firmly disagree with them and I do not feel it is ANY breeder's right to tell a buyer they MUST perform elective surgery on their dog. That is a personal decision for an owner to make.

And for what it's worth, I don't think everyone who dislikes the idea of LR has some nefarious plan to become a filthy rich puppy miller. I think the concept simply rubs some people the wrong way, and while I disagree, I actually understand and respect it.

To each their own. GSD litters are certainly a dime a dozen out there and people can buy where they choose to.

"And for what it's worth, I don't think everyone who dislikes the idea of LR has some nefarious plan to become a filthy rich puppy miller. I think the concept simply rubs some people the wrong way, and while I disagree, I actually understand and respect it."

Thanks, KC, that's all I'm saying.