Top Showlines with good protection phase - Page 1

Hi, Guys!
Hey, does anyone have opinions on the top showlines with stellar performance records?  I would like to get opinions on the top two or three here in the US and maybe Germany.  I am trying to breed up my next male :-)
ANy advice would be absolutely stellar!

It will be interesting to hear what others say. I consider the good producers from lines that consistently produce good to excellent work ethic just about extinct. We simply didn't put the work ethic in the judging criteria when we should have. Many breeders say they want the dog that will work, few know where to look for it and many don't want the work ethic in their program because they have to deal with it. The list of breeders that do breed a dog that can work is short too.

I consider one male a candidate and there's another genetically linebred on the dogs that produce work and he's a little sharp. Working ability is scattered throughout the breed and it's difficult to tell if a dog is producing it, it's good training, or if it's coming through the mother. I'm starting to see decent work from two dogs that are being used, so, I think there's hope.

My thoughts are there are a few females around that can really work from the dogs that produced work, better get a hold of them now.

What Dog1 said.  Finding a male that can work decent is one thing; finding such a male that consistently produces this is an entirely different thing.  Honestly I wouldn't have the first clue who to say.  There've been threads like this before and I always take a look at the dogs listed and usually the dogs themselves don't impress me one bit and the progeny are inconsistent at best.  I'm not a WL person picking on SL either; my main dog right now is a WGSL male and I have a nice WL puppy but so far I prefer the SL male, more the type of dog I like (higher thresholds, more defense, not stupid in prey, fights, great on drives and under pressure, suit or sleeve doesn't matter to him).  SL people have not made this a priority at all or anything even close to a priority so it's not surprising.

Also, what do you mean by the "top" 2 or 3?  Top working?  Top show?  I would bet big money that the best working SL males are no where near the "top" of the shows standings because the ones I have seen personally are not heavily campaigned as show dogs or studs (probably because the owners/handlers value the work and training and don't have the time or infinite pocket books required to campaign a show stud to the "top").

I guess, offhand...ObiWan vom Theishof.  I like his work, no idea if he produces it, and he's a nice dog as far as conformation and type.

I would contact Fred Lanting.  He will give you an HONEST opinion :)  ( If you can't handle honest dont ask him! LOL)

I see the list is shorter than I thought.......................

LOL - Dog1

There are some Czech and Slovak Showlines that have work ethic, but then you'd have to wait for a generation or two for a pup to be able to VA... and who knows if it would be passed down.

Zaira Vlad-Sal has produced a few males that do very well - Fato Vlady-Sal and Ruff z Eurosport come to mind..... of course none have SV breed surveys....... Fato is in Indiana.

Kennel Hartis Bohemia has a string of show lines that are required to be able work well, once again no SV breed surveys.

Dog1, your explanation is probably the best I have seen it put. I doubt there are very many s/l people who would share so honestly.

I too was hoping for a longer list.

Rik

Natz vom Land Mecklenburg
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=494775



Natz is a SUPER nice dog!
He placed V38 at the BSZS in Germany last year and VA in Canada and the States.
He has been recognized for his excellent protection work at the German, Canadian and USA Sieger Shows!
I have bred my female Michaela to him 2x (first time I've repeated a breeding in about 20 years).
He will give very good anatomy and movement, exceptional pigment and MOST importantly strong character and great drives.
The puppies from BOTH my litters have outstading temperaments, character and drives!
* I'd use him again in a heart beat!

Very nice looking dog Jagenstadt

I second the recommendation of Natz.  I've had my hands on him and seen his bite work.  He is lovely!  Does Eddie still have him?  he isnt on the website anymore.