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djc

by djc on 20 August 2006 - 06:08

This is geared mostly to USA breeders( as this takes place in the USA,) and anyone who wishes to comment on this issue. I recently allowed a VERY GOOD friend of mine to lease one of my bitches and use my stud dog so that he could have a litter from them. The deal was that I would get pick male and female and he could have the rest. She had 7 gorgeous puppies! I got my picks and all seemed well. Then it came time to name the puppies. We discussed some names and also discussed if both our kennel names would fit and how they should be arranged. There were comments made by me that it was his litter and he could arrange the names how he wanted. I said this, never dreaming that he would exclude my kennel name! Not only that, but tell a buyer who wanted to have my kennel name in addition to his, NOT to put it on! In the USA it is VERY common for 2 kennels to get together for a breeding and use both kennel names. The normal thing is one or the other dog/bitch is owned by each kennel. This is a courtesy to both kennels should the result of the breeding be exceptional and make a name for itself both would get credit. His only defense in this is to say that he does not like multiple kennel names and the kennel where they were born should be the only name. To me it is a outright slap in the face! They are both MY DOGS!! The pups that I got have both names on them, if that is any concession. But he does not understand why I am so upset about the rest! Especially the fact that he told a buyer NOT to put my name on the registration! I could see a tad bit better if we were relative strangers. But we have been very close friends for over a year. If the tables were turned, I certainly would have put both names on, even out of respect, courtesy and appreciation for a stranger! Not to mention for a supposed close friend!!! Can anyone else see why I am upset? Or am I just way off about expecting this? Thanks!! Debby

by Laris on 20 August 2006 - 06:08

Debby In my humble opinion. He leased your bitch (paid for it?) and used your stud, probably paid for it too or was part of the deal when he leased your bitch. I think he deserved the rights to use whatever kennel name he chooses. Unless it was part of the deal that he has to include your kennel name. It is as if I lease a house, and during the lease, the house "belongs" to me and the owner of the house has no rights to enter the house without my permission... From Business sense, I don't think he did anything wrong, and I do not think you should let this event harms your friendship; afterall, you mentioned that he is a VERY GOOD friend.

Brittany

by Brittany on 20 August 2006 - 07:08

NEVER do any kind of Business with your friends... things might get ugly in the process. If your friend is wanting to get a dog to lease recommend him to somebody else.. your quote Debby "Especially the fact that he told a buyer NOT to put my name on the registration" Since this already happen ... I would question this VERY GOOD friend of yours why he told the buyer(s) not to put down your kennel name on the registeration papers. To me thats very disrespectful, especially if he didn't pay a single dime on the lease and for the stud service. If I was leasing a Bitch from a friend of mine (a VERY GOOD friend) and used her stud dog which produced certain amount of puppies... I would ask her first if she wanted her kennel name attached to the registeration , if she does... well I'm going to make sure that name gets put on those papers. So tell me Debby did your Good friend gave you a percentage profit of the puppy money that he earned? He could at least do that! He sounds very greedy... Do not do any kind of busniess with him in the future...

bjarnehaus

by bjarnehaus on 20 August 2006 - 07:08

Hey Deb, I am sorry he did this. I think that you know what I would do in this aspect. You are right. Courtesy here. I am a bit jealous about the 7 pups! LOL Did he not write in the names on the registration papers before he sold the pups? I always fill mine in, even if it is just the letter of the litter and the kennel name on the papers. My girl Siri has 2 kennel names out of respect for the stud that was not mine. When it comes time later on with Yenta, that will be worked out as well. Brittany, some of us do business with each other back and forth. We have the respect for each other in this aspect. Pia

bjarnehaus

by bjarnehaus on 20 August 2006 - 08:08

Deb, That is another thing, because he did not pay for the lease, what about the puppy profit? I am happy that you got 2 nice pups out of her, I am going to have to see them, but he made out if he used both male and female and was able to sell 5 pups out of a bitch that is not his. Pia

Hundguy

by Hundguy on 20 August 2006 - 08:08

This is why things should be in writing!! Even between friends. Sorry Debbie, but seeing you leased the bitch to him I say it is his litter with his breeding name. """"I recently allowed a VERY GOOD friend of mine to lease one of my bitches and use my stud dog so that he could have a litter from them.""""" If you two went in together on the breeding then both kennel names can apply.""""In the USA it is VERY common for 2 kennels to get together for a breeding and use both kennel names."""" Seeing you used the term "Leased" in the begining I have to say the litter would be in his name.. These terms really need to be worked out before anything takes place. This way no one gets mad or feels cheated. Friends are hard to come by maybe you should work this out with him, not on a world wide message board!!! JMO, Dennis

by neuen-polizei on 20 August 2006 - 08:08

I think you're making a big deal out of nothing. If you only fill out the puppy application and print the names of the pups, the new owners can use white out and change the name to what they want. If you decided to individually register these pups before they go to a new home, then the new owner can still call AKC and have that name changed. If the rest of this "lease" has been fullfilled and this is the only issue, I'd let it go. There are worse things to fight about other than puppy names. Brittany, sounds a bit harsh to say not to do business with him because of how he named the litter. How bad would you have to feel losing a friend over a puppy name that the new owner changes once they're home? Jeff

by eichenluft on 20 August 2006 - 12:08

I have loaned/leased females to my friends before, bred to my stud dog too - and if they are doing the breeding, it is their litter, no matter the deal - monies or puppies exchanged - and it is their kennel name on the puppies. No question about it, in my mind, for my dealings, no discussion - I assume as do they, that their kennel name goes on all of the puppies born at their place, even with my female and stud dog - it's their litter. If I were leasing a female, no matter the stud dog used or deal made to pay for lease or loan - it is my litter and my kennel name will be on the registrations. No other. No combined. No question. molly

by eichenluft on 20 August 2006 - 12:08

quote : the new owner can still call AKC and have that name changed. Not legally, they can't - not without the signature of the breeder. molly

by LMH on 20 August 2006 - 13:08

Why do we always expect others to behave as we do? They don't! Debby, If I had used someone elses's dog (not to mention a friend's), I'd feel obliged to put her kennel's name on the papers. Actually, I'd be embarrassed not to. You already know the answer to your original question. Not involving the legalities involved, it all comes down to the question of what sits well with you. It was a bit tasteless of your friend to do this---I agree, but you're going to have to put this whole episode behind you. Whether or not you can feel the same about your friend again, only time will tell. Sorry this had to happen.





 


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