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by Slamdunc on 22 March 2012 - 03:03
act,
I understand what you are saying to a certain extent.
I test, evaluate and select dogs for our PD's K-9 unit. With the exception of mine, none of these dogs come with pedigrees. we test dogs, some may be mal/gsd mixes, some are mals, DS's or GSD's. I select the best dog available. I do not care about color, breed, size, sex, etc it is simply the best dog that passes our strenuous testing process. Pedigrees are not offered and not even considered. Sure, I would like a pedigree but it is the dog that works not the paper. All of the dogs we test have X-rays on hand to evaluate. All come with guarantees and are between 12 and 36 months old.
With that said, AKC or SV registration is important to me for a pup, hip and health tests are critical for both parents. If I am looking for a pup I would never consider a breeder that doesn't register their dogs and the litter. That is the start. It is like shopping for a car and you look at vehicles with no tires. It just doesn't make sense.
I understand what you are saying to a certain extent.
I test, evaluate and select dogs for our PD's K-9 unit. With the exception of mine, none of these dogs come with pedigrees. we test dogs, some may be mal/gsd mixes, some are mals, DS's or GSD's. I select the best dog available. I do not care about color, breed, size, sex, etc it is simply the best dog that passes our strenuous testing process. Pedigrees are not offered and not even considered. Sure, I would like a pedigree but it is the dog that works not the paper. All of the dogs we test have X-rays on hand to evaluate. All come with guarantees and are between 12 and 36 months old.
With that said, AKC or SV registration is important to me for a pup, hip and health tests are critical for both parents. If I am looking for a pup I would never consider a breeder that doesn't register their dogs and the litter. That is the start. It is like shopping for a car and you look at vehicles with no tires. It just doesn't make sense.
by GSDPACK on 22 March 2012 - 04:03
I will take a vehicle with no tires but the title missing would make me run very fast!
by Slamdunc on 22 March 2012 - 05:03
Martina,
LMAO. Well said as usual. You won't get far without tires though.
LMAO. Well said as usual. You won't get far without tires though.
by darylehret on 22 March 2012 - 12:03
A vehicle title (not tires) is of course the most appropriate analogy regarding the context of dog registration. A HMMWV in the deserts of Iraq does not require a title to perform it's job. The lack of registration would prevent a dog from entering some formal competitions, unless as a "mixed breed". But the vast majority of the entrants from this country participate with their european imports anyway. Bart Bellon seems to be doing well with his unregistered dogs. If what you do with your dog does not require registration, then it doesn't make sense to worry over it. Having a registration paper says nothing about a dog's ability to perform a job, any more than having a badge makes you a cop.
by Bob McKown on 22 March 2012 - 12:03
daryl:
I,d have to disagree with you on that If you train mixed breeds(I,m not knoocking i,ve seen some nice GSDX MALI crosses) it works but if your breed specific as I am I want those papers. No the papers won,t effect the working attitude of the dog.
I look at it like the difference from being married or just cohabititing is that little peice of paper to some it,s not a big deal but to most it is.
by Blitzen on 22 March 2012 - 13:03
I'm pretty sure that there is an AKC rule that says something like - if you represent a dog as being AKC registered or registerable, you must provide proof that is true. If the registration application or the registration certificate is not available when the new owner takes possession of the dog, then the breeder/current owner of record must provide in writing, at a minimum, why that is not available, when it will be available, the registered names and AKC numbers of the parents, DOB of the litter, to whom the dog was transferred and when.
To infer AKC registration is available, both parents must have been AKC registered. Not sure if that needs to be done before the breeding was made or before/after the litter was whelped.
No one is arguing that AKC registration is a stamp of quality and most pet buyers may not care about "a papered dog". I doubt most looking for a dog to trial are going to want an unregistered dog. I certainly wouldn't. Not providing AKC registration is targetting the pet market. I'm not sure why a serious breeder would want to do that; the breed is in no emminent danger of extinction.
No hip, elbow xrays or other applicable health tests send the message to the rest of the GSD world that the breeder is either uneducated or doesn't care about doing the best job he or she can. Most will consider that breeder a back yard breeder.
To infer AKC registration is available, both parents must have been AKC registered. Not sure if that needs to be done before the breeding was made or before/after the litter was whelped.
No one is arguing that AKC registration is a stamp of quality and most pet buyers may not care about "a papered dog". I doubt most looking for a dog to trial are going to want an unregistered dog. I certainly wouldn't. Not providing AKC registration is targetting the pet market. I'm not sure why a serious breeder would want to do that; the breed is in no emminent danger of extinction.
No hip, elbow xrays or other applicable health tests send the message to the rest of the GSD world that the breeder is either uneducated or doesn't care about doing the best job he or she can. Most will consider that breeder a back yard breeder.
by darylehret on 22 March 2012 - 14:03
Reading Jim's statements over and over page after page, and on more than a few thread topics, I just hope he feels he has made his viewpoint clear, if not overly redundant. It's just obnoxious jabbing and bashing at this point.
by Slamdunc on 22 March 2012 - 15:03
Daryl,
If I have made my view point clear, I will let it go. The various threads over the past week or so have struck a nerve and hit on several of my "pet peeves." You have been a part or started some of the threads and probably caught the brunt of it, although it is certainly not all directed at you. I didn't start any of these threads but I have certainly added to them and they have run their course. It is unfortunate that they only topics that seem worthwhile for me to post on are ones that annoy or frustrate me. I'd enjoy going back to posting on training topics but I lack the verve or interest to do so on here.
If I have made my view point clear, I will let it go. The various threads over the past week or so have struck a nerve and hit on several of my "pet peeves." You have been a part or started some of the threads and probably caught the brunt of it, although it is certainly not all directed at you. I didn't start any of these threads but I have certainly added to them and they have run their course. It is unfortunate that they only topics that seem worthwhile for me to post on are ones that annoy or frustrate me. I'd enjoy going back to posting on training topics but I lack the verve or interest to do so on here.
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