Chinese Dogs in German Sieger Show - Page 5

>>They clubbed to death how many hundreds of thousands of dogs? >>a country where they have just killed so many cherished pets Here we go again with "they"...who, exactly, are "they"? Don't you think the proper identification of "they" is the essential issue for anyone deciding whether to sell GSDs to Chinese citizens? >>You know what, p59teitel--Do you even hear yourself? "telling others not to make money" Is that what's important to you? Simply following up with those who decided to couch their argument that way: "I hope money soon takes a backseat to ethics." The implication being that if you sell to China then you don't give a damn about the dogs who will clearly be at risk of being clubbed to death or turned into a stole to hang around someone's neck. A cute little non sequitur, to be sure, but one that so far hasn't been rescued by any FACTS. As for my personal circumstances, I'm not a breeder and have no financial iron in this particular fire. >>You lose the debate, hands down. I guess that depends on your perspective of what the debate was about - if your goal was to convince me to change MY opinion, so far you've failed. But you're welcome to keep trying.

sunshine, I stopped patronizing Wal-Mart about ten years ago when it became clear to me that they were breaking the Sherman Anti-Trust Act as they drove competitors under in every community where they put up a new store. I was concerned about their impact on local economies and the people who lived in those communities long before I even heard about the possibility of dog fur being used in the goods Wal-Mart sells. The more recent revelations about glass ceilings for female execs and lack of benefits for their workers simply reinforced my belief that they are a bad company that does not deserve my dollars, but rather deserves to be smashed upon the rocks of our laws governing fair competition.

DH, I went back to re read your post Your exact quote “There are lots of VAs in the US. If you'd bother to look. Kevin, Biggi, Yasko... and many other top dogs. The list would get way too long. But you are not breeding GSD anyways so of course you would not know.” The last time I checked Kevin and Biggi are owned by Tracy Bullinger from the Bullinger kennels in Canada not in the USA. We do have Yasko in the states but I have a feeling that he isn’t getting as many stud services we I thought he would get… I guess people just aren’t willing to pay 4300 -7500 and up for an “ultimate” puppy superstar that will turn out to be just a regular house pet :D I’m interested in knowing which (TOP) dogs you are referring to? Yeah you’re right… I’m not breeding so yeah….. I wouldn’t know and as I said plenty of times… Education goes first. -- Characteristics of Psychopath (Sociopath, Anti-social Personality Disorder) 1. Glibness/superficial charm. 2. Grandiose sense of self-worth. 3. Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom 4. Pathological lying 5. Conning/manipulative 6. Lack of remorse or guilt 7. Shallow affect 8. Callous/lack of empathy 9. Parasitic lifestyle 10. Poor behavioral controls 11. Promiscuous sexual behavior 12. Early behavior problems 13. Lack of realistic, long-term plans 14. Impulsivity 15. Irresponsibility 16. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions 17. Many short-term marital relationships 18. Juvenile delinquency 19. Revocation of conditional release 20. Criminal versatility (Hare, 1986) If you calculate all of this up… you will soon find out that a person who suffers from this kind of condition was born without a conscience… and is in the high risk of abusing, killing and tormenting animals (According to the FBI profiling)…. He will have absolute no problem killing a young child or somebody else… because he has no conscience! IMO anybody who wears a fur coat/shoes/scarf/etc is no better than the person who slaughtered the poor animal for its pelts.

Ah, the attorney, yes? We could be playing with words all night long, so why don't we get straight to the heart of the matter. My position---It frightens me to think of the dogs in China, especially after the needless culling of so many. I'm not going to try and convince you to change any opinion you have made on this subject---Your opinion is your own. Truthfully, I hope my fears don't come to fruition.

Or it could be simply that the person killing the dog is not a psychopath but rather some poor factory worker who has decided to augment his meager paycheck by raising dogs in his backyard for their fur.

LMH, I too am concerned for the pets in China who were massacred and their families who were forced to watch. I just don't choose to blame the Chinese people or culture for this, but rather the incompetent Communist Party authorities: they're the ones who never bothered to get a grip on the rabies problem before it turned into a serious public health threat.

Glad to hear it p59. We basically agree that the government is at fault, which, for now, seems to be an ongoing problem. Sorry, I came down so hard on you in my earlier post--I liked you from other threads and it bothered me to respond so offensively.

No need to apologize - my work has made my hide pretty thick over the years. :)

Don't just blamed the Chinese.Someone just did the same way.Does anyone forget Mad cattle disease and Foot-and-mouth disease that broke out in The Great Britain and Europ several years ago?Does anyone forget that some western countries that calling for freedom all the time kill thousands of sheep and cattle in a very shot time in order to keep theirselves safe.What does the animal-protecting law in their countries say? Does it say "you should kill the animals when they were sick"?

I've read this entire thread several times and think we are for the most part all on the same page when it comes to the killing of these dogs. I didn't get the impression that anyone posting thinks that the Chinese people are the responsible parties anymore than the US citizens are responsible for the war in Iraq which most I know oppose. We are at the mercy of our governments and often feel victimized by the same. My concern is and always has been the safety of those dogs sold to China. No, I am not a breeder, but that doesn't disqualify me from being a lover of this breed and all dogs. I've been down this path to a degree years ago when many of my friends with various breeds sold their AKC champions for big bucks to another Asian country and later came to regret it, some to this day will not export dogs to anyone unless they can make a home visit or have a known reliable source as a reference. If these GSD's going to China are safe and secure protected by their owner's social status, then so be it. If there are other members of that protected class waiting for puppies, then so be it. BTW, I never suggested than anyone would deliberately export a GSD to China knowing it was intended to produce for the fur market. I was asking if those exporting to China knew for certain these dogs did NOT produce progeny that would end up in the fur market. That's not the same thing at all. From what I've read here, I now assume that those selling to that country have done their homework and will have no regrets in the future. It is now up to the individual breeders to decide whether or not they wish to sell GSD's to China.