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by doggman on 13 September 2006 - 00:09

I don't know but it sure looks in my opinion like many many of breeders on the schutzhund organization in the US are breeding more and more showline dogs. Just looking at their sites, there are clearly lots of them. Even people on this sight who only like to say they breed working stock have show dogs now on those same sites. Whats the deal?? Is it the $$$$$$ ? Don't tell me, "yes but these dogs can really work". We've seen them "work". D'man

by EchoMeadows on 13 September 2006 - 01:09

Confirmation is as Important as working ability isn't it ? Good Post, I can't wait to see what this one brings. :-)

VBK9

by VBK9 on 13 September 2006 - 01:09

Personally, I think a lot of it is what the consumer wants. Most people when buying a GSD love the classic black & red beauty of the showlines, and breeders are catering. I know that at least half of the puppy inquiries I get are for the black & reds (and I don't breed any!), people like their pretty dogs :)

Bob-O

by Bob-O on 13 September 2006 - 02:09

I don't know whether one can say that more breeders are producing the show-line type compared to the working-line type, but at least on the surface it very well may be true. One's (1) opinion may be easily formed by examining the classified advertisements that prevail in dog and dog sport magazines. For example, if one examines the DVG magazine, then one will see virtually nothing but working-line types for sale. If one examines Schutzhund U.S.A. then one will see predominately the show-line type, and a few examples of the working-line type for sale. And of course if one examines the GSDCA In Review magazine then one will see predominately the Ambred show-line, and possibly a very few West German show-line and even fewer examples of the working-line type for sale. VBK9 essentially says it the way that it is-it is what the consumer wants. Are there some examples of the show-line type who can really work? You bet there are, even though they are bred solely for the conformation ring. Personally I like good examples of dogs from all three (3) of the predominant types, provided the basic structure is correct, the head is sound, and the desire to work is present. But with that said, we know that there are many customers with a lot of disposable income who solely want a pretty dog from champion parents, and a dog whose only work may be chasing after the kid's ball. Bob-O

DesertRangers

by DesertRangers on 13 September 2006 - 02:09

I agree with the above but would add most people do not need and likely can't handle true working lines. Plus better for working dogs to be in working homes. So the market dictates the breeding........

Bob-O

by Bob-O on 13 September 2006 - 02:09

DesertRangers, I agree 100%. Bob-O

by doggman on 13 September 2006 - 02:09

So if I wanted a show line dog, I guess a place to look is the USA Breeder's directory. When I think of a working GSD, sorry I don't think of a roached back black and redder than red. Why not just rejoin the GSDCA? D'Man

DesertRangers

by DesertRangers on 13 September 2006 - 02:09

Actually doggman regardless of the type of dog you want you better look long and hard everywhere you can think of. You(anyone) should if at all possible visit the breeder and see not only a pup but it's parents and any other dogs out of them. While their are many excellent breeders their are also many others whom have websites that are far superior to the actual dogs they breed. Just my opinion.....

by Do right and fear no one on 13 September 2006 - 02:09

I have a dumb question. When you guys and gals were looking for a husband or wife (girlfriend/boyfriend), did you take looks into consideration or did you go out looking for one that could cook or provide, etc. I bet 99% of us took into consideration "appearance" as our #1 factor. Then came personality and character, then "abilities". And also, why is making money always looked down upon so much. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with the pursuit of money as long as we do not harm anyone. I am not talking about "puppy mills" (they make me sick), but when some on this site talk of breeders of "showline" GSD's, they alway bring up $$$$ and ask "is this what it is all about?". Almost always, whether it is admitted to or not. But that also goes for "working" line breeders as well. Lets quit kidding ourselves. We may do it for the love of it, but we all "try" to make some moolah. Nothing wrong with it. I haven't met anyone yet who is advertising free GSD's, that bred them.

by doggman on 13 September 2006 - 03:09

DesertRangers, that's great advice. Do right: No problem making money here. That's fine. My question was why would a working dog (sport) organiz. have mostly active links to what looks like show dog breeders? Show puppies go for over $2500- up and most working pups go for under $2000. So why are many of these working dog breeders who are so adamant on here about their working dogs and then on their own web sites breeding show line GSD's. D'man





 


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