Trainer nearly Killed my dog - Page 6

Yes, Debby - you need others for protection, AND I would also venture to say they are needed for obedience and tracking at some point! You need the distractions, the group, people to be 'judges' following you on a track or standing near the jump - how many dogs track beautifully until there are a few people behind them? Have you ever seen a dog pick up a dumbell and immediately go say hello to the judge because they have never trained with anyone else around? Silly as that may sound, strange things can and do happen. As much as I support the idea of HOT, there are sometimes problems with lack of clubs/trainers nearby that necessitate someone pursuing other options. There are good ways and bad ways to do just about anything, so I would think it's best to look at the overall picture of someone's training or breeding program, or how they "own" their dogs - and not just pass a blanket judgement.

Miss Brit, you crack me up. Like breeding a dog is so profitable. I came out 4 grand in the red after I bred my already Sch3 titled bitch I payed my hard earned $ for. It wasn't about $. I have never titled a dog and I thought spending some money was better than ruining a good dog with my own ignorence. Takes a bigger person to say that. I have a job, kid, house to take care of on top of 4 dogs and a cat. I'd love to train my own dog, could I? Sure, I have done my own OB forever on my dogs. I don't have the time or patience after spending 14 hours a day with screaming kids to give my all to a dog. I like going to the clubs and watching trials, spending time outside with my dogs but it isn't always consistant. Life gives me time resraints. Sch clubs are as we have seen multiple times on here, not loving with open arms to newbies to the sport. I have the means to train my dog, the way I like, with a trainer who is available to me when I can train. This is the way I will train my own dogs at my own pace, for my own neeeds. Schutzhund and training your own dogs, isn't the be all end all.

Thanks for the comment ,and message ,Ceric. Jerry

Meant Cedric

Well I surely am not getting into a debate with you on this site. I am stating the facts. You didnt train my dog. The dog had all the problems I described earlier when he was taken the the vet the day after My wife picked him up. Course I was trying to give you the benifit of the doubt but after talking to several people and trying to resolve any bussiness we still had prior to acting on your actions...or lack there of. I will not get into it here with you. People I have told you what happen. I have posted my email address. If you would like to see what my dog looked like before and after I will be glad to send it. All the above statements I have made are true. If you choose to utilize Mr. Hicklen as a trainer That is a choice only you can make. As for me, after reading about my experience and after speaking to SunRise Kennels I will NEVER use his services again. Good luck to each of you and I would have to agree that after this....training your own dog.....its the only safe way. Good luck and be safe all.

I wanted to add my cents here. A few months back I was thinking about sending my dog to a trainer on this board . well everything sounded good and I personally had nothing bad to say about him but others did. Things came up in the kennle and I did not send my dog. With that I started to train her. In fact I started to train all my dogs. I do have a helper we have been training dogs together for over 5 years mostly obedienc now. We both are still learning reading and making and correcting mistakes. I don't see ScHH as a means to ALL. There are other clubs out there, titles that can be earned to prove the same thing. Starting out with simple obedience titles and working your way up. Many of the BEST SCHH players in US started in AKC and worked thier way up. Yes, it takes longer but they earned it and had fun. (KEY WORD) Now that I have really started training on my guys and gals we have gone from Oh wow he took to the sleeve to OH S**T She took him off his feet It is really fun tracking the bad guy or finding narcs in a car. (again I train a little of everything) My thought is if you really want to bond and have fun train your self! Learn with the dog. I don't have problems w/ people sending their dogs out for training (hell, I even thought about it). but ask your self this WHY? and be honest with your self. I will not get 2000.00 for my puppies because they have no SCHH but my guys and gals can do the same work (www.ek-9s.com) and I am training them and having fun. And to who ever said earlier in post "IF you have your dog trained and titled give credit to the trainer" I totally agree with that!! There are too many people that are buying titled dogs and know nothing about how they work or even to keep up thier training and yet thier sites "imply" or state "we are trainers". SHAME on them. again buyer beware ask for referrals, go and visit. PS we are in NC too

for all of you who say it is wrong to let someone else train your dog, let me ask 1 question. what do you do when the nearest club is over 300 miles away? i suppose you will say move, right? there are many valid reasons for sending dogs out for training. i have done it before, though i do prefer to do my own titling. i always spend a few weeks afterward, near the trainer, going over everything including handling, commands, etc. i have never had a problem with any part of it.

First off, I hope your dog makes a full recovery. I hope you get settled into your new life in a new location and things can get back to "normal" You learned a hard lesson, but we always seem to remember those lessons the best. Now, there are ten thousand reasons for someone to get a dog, and just as many reason they may send them to someone else for training. And none of you sitting on this message board spewing stuff about traning and breeding all day seem to have much time for anything else, but being on a message board. Damn, quite freaking judging every damn thing another person does. If you're so damn perfect, maybe you should just save it for yourself, the rest of us are sick of it. Maybe the guy lost a leg in Iraq, maybe they're going thru a tough time, maybe he's a complete newbie and thought sending a dog, that he has been told is very good to someone with some experience, might be best for the dog, maybe he's just lazy and wants to pay for training rather than do it. WHo cares, who are you to sit on a computer and judge? Yeah most of us know how much fun it is and how rewarding it can be to train your own dog. Some people, for whatever reason, aren't able to right at this moment, big deal, we have things happen that aren't ideal in our own lives. Sending your dog away for training is not a crime, it isn't something new, and it isn't something terribel to do. I know pleny of people that love their dogs, love to see their dogs work, take great care of their dogs, let their dogs be dogs, but when it comes to schH, they don't have the coordination etc to effectively train their dogs, big freakin deal. I also know people that take in dogs for training, and the dogs get worked on helpers, stay in clean kennels, get exercise and do OB. They aren't mistreated, they aren't forced to submit at every turn, they aren't mistreated at all. quit acting like every place is like that. You sent your dog away for training, you deserve to get him back half dead.... WTF kind of attitude is that??

Hi, this is soo tiring to read the wise statements of expert Brittany. Not only she knows everything, no now she tops it by saying breeders that dont title their own dogs are not good breeders, no they are only chasing paychecks ! Brittany, you know, at that moment when you show results of breeding or training a dog, than i might consider again to listen to what you have to say..... now please, dont come up with a BH..... something i consider to be basic. But, to enlighten you a little bit, as apperently you have no clue of what you are talking about, yes, i will use a trainer if i can not spare enough time to get it done myself. To give you a little idear, when you give a dog into training, i am talking about pros, they will train with the dog 10 X 10 mins, getting much better results then doing what probbably you see as training. But neverless, just one more thing, dear Britt, why dont you just mind your own buisnes, and leaves others alone doing theirs ? It sure would be nice for a change ! Kind Regards Ulli Dresbach

to most of you above, learn from training; don't get mad when you see mr. doe come along with his newly trained schIII dog having fun with him; training is very commendable, stick with it if you have the time. black sable you kept on asking Why? what for? why? what for? (ended up being boring); there's nothing comparable to a solid full trained schIII dog with balanced drives, nerves and temperament; i recommend you get one (if you can afford it) and learn from the experience it can offer you, as it sounds you will never title a dog in your life. i sense a lot of frustation and maybe envy from members in this thread who've never own a competition dog. FYI, most of our national competitors compete with already trained dogs, they are not trainers themselves. I agree with your comments Ulli. Listen more, learn and keep your mouthg shut :) k.