SchH3 Females - Page 4

My last female was a rare find. I raised, trained and titled her from 7 weeks and She made SchH3, IPO3, FH2 at 2yrs of age and has since made 13x SchH3. She was a very willing worker and was always very powerful in the bite work with some of the best National level helpers. She wasn't the best tracker but always did good at the stadium. My other female 10x IPO3, SchH3, FH2 was also the same way, very fast, quick on the helper and excellent tracker made 4th place at Regionals. So the females are out there, they just need to be worked. I was lucky that both females, one I raised and titled and one I imported, both had the same temperament, work ethics, etc. Also I think I have a little more patience and spend a little more time training with my females than I do with my males. Stands the reason my females take home more trophies than my males do...LOL Uwe

For the working line world I have have to ask the following question: How do you really know the quality of your female and be able to find a suitable breeding partner that seems to match (I am writing seems to because at the end we are dealing with mother nature and nobody knows up front if it will be the match we are hoping for) if you do not work your female. Females are as easy or as hard to train as any male. It depends on the the personality of the dog and not their sex. And it is up to the trainer/handler to adapt to this specific personality. I personally trained 3 females so far. All of them were HOT and two of them were/are shown in National Competition and all of them had or will have litters. For me as a breeder it is important to show my females in more than one trial to find out how they are as working dogs, what they are capable of, how they mature mentally in time and especially how they handle stress. Then I know what I am dealing with and what I am looking for in a male I am choosing for breeding, respectively what my female can bring to the table. To me it seems like a lame excuse to just title a female to SchH1 and the throw her in a whelping box and not train her anymore "because they come into heat" or "because they had a litter and it takes so long to get them in shape again". If that would be true every woman would be out of work a couple of days a months and after having a baby we would not be able to do anything anymore. Start to realize that there are super females out there that can handle both. Nobody says that a female needs to have SchH3 for her first litter ...... but after the first litter with "only" SchH1 train her and get more titles. Just to remind you of some females that can/could do it: Deika von den Wannaer Hoehen (10 litter+3 times BSP), Uschi von den Wannaer Hoehen (5 litter+2 times BSP), Daisy vom Bohler Hof (4 litters+2 times BSP), Forma Karthago (6 litter+BSP), Askia Froschgraben (8 litter+3 times BSP), Ina vom Staranger (6 litter+BSP), Hexe vom Annenhof (4 litter+2 times BSP), Hexe vom Koerbelbach (7 litter+BSP), Munja von der Rensefelder Schlucht (2 litter+BSP), Umsa vom Bungalow (8 litter+2 times BSP), Quaste von Ankenruett (3 litter+4 times BSP) !!!!!!!! Claudia Romard www.vangoghkennels.com

Claudia, I saw you and Ronny at the Nationals. If that's not proof that bitches have the abilitiy then I don't know what is. The original question is why are there so many not trained to a Sch 3. My contention is, other than the money aspect (breeding) the next factor may be the ability of trainers. A lot of us aren't as patient. A lot of bitches aren't as forgiving of trainers mistakes and therefore I feel it takes a special touch to get the most out of them. The drives are there, in both sexes, males tend to be a little harder and therfore a little more forgiving. By the way my eyes welled up after your performance at the Nationals. Anyone that didn't see it really missed the GSD at it's best.

i have to agree w/ you spook, but not on all points. Females do have the ability to work, they do take a different type of training than males. However i think that the females that are capable of competing at the national levels are the exceptions not the rule. most females arent as hard as males and cant take the corrections and recove the way males can. Also if you want to compete w/ a female you have to train around their heat cycles, and unfortunatly the trial will not be moved to accomodate your dogs cycle. As too why most females are only sch1. IMO its because they are only titled so they can be bred, and folks can sell puppies to folks who dont know that much. it makes for good marketing. which seems pretty useless to me because its only a title, a few pen strokes in a score book. and w/ the state of schutzhund today it may be absolutly worthless. Ive seen dogs that are absolute SH*T get titles. dogs that were titled on their home field w/ the helper they have known since 5 mo.

uwe, are you a breeder i like your females i believe theyare just as important if not more so than the studs. interested in a quality green work dog. where are you located. thanks joan j.j.k@netzero.com