The PPD? - Page 5

Here's my 2 cents.

Yes there are people who use the term PPD as if it is a title, and elude to those who don't know better that their dog has some extra special qualities and training for the purposes of breeding or bragging.  Those people that tout these letters attached to their dogs name more often than not have dogs that are not capable of being titled in a sport...either the handler is not capable of training and handling or is too lazy, or the dog themselves don't have the drive, temperament, stability etc.

But admit, I train PPD's.  The owners are not the type of people described above.  People come to me and want to train their pet dog and wish for them to be able to protect them for real.  So it's PSA or PPD.  PSA is a sport that requires the right dog and the right handler, it is not for everyone and not everyone has interest in sport.  And if they have a pet dog who is is not capable of titling in a sport but have potential for protection work then we do PPD training.  But don't be fooled.  PPD is at the bottom of the "respect meter" in terms of breeding/selling.  A PPD merely requires minimal bitework training and some work on civility.  Not hard and an incredibly good specimen of the breed is not needed.

 I will always attempt to build a dog past his/her potential, but with some dogs that is not always possible.  And their owners do not intend to sell them and get a 'better dog'.  I do not blow smoke up peoples skirt, I let them know their dogs weaknesses without putting their dog down, and they watch stronger dogs in training and understand what is par for sport competition.  It is what it is.

I also use the letters PPD to label my videos.  So people watching it know what venue the dog is being trained for....so it doesn't just look like shitty IPO training lol.

Here is a nice pet dog in PPD training.  I don't think at this point he possesses the confidence and hardness for PSA but he's made great progress.  Just working on confidence right now and learning correct response behaviors.  

Nice post gsdfan, I am a fan of your training videos and knowledge.  How old is the dog in the video? is he a czech? Hes so cute.

I had a quick question do police dogs sometimes first get titled in ipo and then become patrol dogs? Can they easily make the transfer if they start out in sport?


Paul I have a video of PP dogs from the 70s, many very nice intense dogs with lots of strong fight in them.

GSDfan: " A PPD merely requires minimal bitework training and some work on civility.  Not hard and an incredibly good specimen of the breed is not needed."
" I also use the letters PPD to label my videos.  So people watching it know what venue the dog is being trained for....so it doesn't just look like shitty IPO training lol."

Great explanation! Love it!

Destiny4u....Thanks, the dog is a little over 2 yrs old.  Born in the US but from Czech lines I believe.  He is gorgeous.
 

Destiny, can you post the video?

For the dog in that video the stick and the action with it become only a signal for the following bite through offering the sleeve which triggers the prey reflex in the dog, though the dog is focused in prey right from the start and does not take the stick action as a threat at all, wrong frame of mind so to speak. In the following "fight" action is actually barely any fight development to see, no pressure on the dog, the dog in this video does not learn to fight. This dog will fail as a ppd, most do anyway ;-)
All the best
Ulf

The dogs in this video would probably make superb PPDs, but they are only trained for IPO. Just to back up what I said in my previous post ;-)
All the best
Ulf
 

K9ulf....the dogs first session he would not stimulate in either prey or defense.  the dog will not chase anything that is tossed, any prey you see is from training.  The dogs thresholds are low and the first few sessions, any forward behavior was rewarded in decoy retreat.  The stick is a pool noodle, that his initial response to was a flinch with eyes closed.  The dog has made great progress and the owner is elated that  I have pulled from him what I have, he likely would have been shown the door by any other trainer.  This not a dog I am training to sell, it's about pleasing the  owner not impressing the masses, if that's your desire than compete in PSA

As for your video, re read my post as I said before a PPD is below standards of most sport dogs.  The owner needs the dog to react to the behavior of an assailant.  In the end it doesn't matter if the dog is reacting in prey or defense as long as he's civil.  I know many dogs who function predominantly in prey and don't give a rats ass about equipment.  Jmo