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by k9ulf on 02 June 2013 - 16:06
Whatever :-)
by GSDfan on 02 June 2013 - 22:06
For those who are not familiar these are scenarios in PSA. It is a great venue to test good PPD's. It is a sport but much closer to reality than IPO.
This video is of TRAINING prepping a dog for trial, and some of the decoys are new and receiving instruction from senior decoys/trainers. I am only sharing the video to show what PSA looks like to those who don't know, so be nice.
This video is of TRAINING prepping a dog for trial, and some of the decoys are new and receiving instruction from senior decoys/trainers. I am only sharing the video to show what PSA looks like to those who don't know, so be nice.
by k9ulf on 03 June 2013 - 08:06
We have similar competitions here in the UK, I never competed in any, but I coached a few handlers for it and they have won, just to answer another question my friend GSDfan ;-)
All the best
Ulf
All the best
Ulf
by johan77 on 03 June 2013 - 16:06
It seems people have different opinions on what a personal protection dog is. For me it´s a dog that should be capable of defending the owner anywhere and with great determination, so I doubt that requires less than a dog for sport as far as protectionability goes. Not so uncommon such handlers are also competing in sports with such dogs, but people here seems to think about petdogs not good enough for sport who had some basic bitetraining as PP-dogs, or it´s a PP-dog because it has pass a title that is called PPD or similar. In fact not long ago I saw a IPO3 malinois good enough to get 90points in protection but who wasn´t good enough for passing the selectiontest for working as a PP-dog, probably not the only example.
by Slamdunc on 03 June 2013 - 19:06
I had a quick question do police dogs sometimes first get titled in ipo and then become patrol dogs? Can they easily make the transfer if they start out in sport?
Many dogs come from Europe with a foundation in various dog sports. It depends on the country the dog is from. Some may have a SchH foundation, others may have a KNPV foundation. Occasionally, you will see a titled dog for sale. I see more titled KNPV dogs going to our special forces as the guys I know travel to Europe and hand pick them. The vast majority are somewhat "green" and not tilted.
Yes, a good dog can easily make the transition from sport work to Patrol dog. I raised my own dog from a seven week old pup and did SchH with him for the first two years, then I retrained him as my Patrol dog. He is a very good example of an excellent sport dog that is now an excellent Police K-9. AS a Police K-9 he has many apprehensions and has encountered several combative suspects. His actual street bites have been extremely consistent; full, hard and crushing. Exactly like his sport work days. I will start with a new puppy in the spring to train for my next Patrol dog.
The owner needs the dog to react to the behavior of an assailant. In the end it doesn't matter if the dog is reacting in prey or defense as long as he's civil. I know many dogs who function predominantly in prey and don't give a rats ass about equipment. Jmo
I haven't watched any of the videos posted yet, but I have seen enough videos from both Melanie (GSDfan) and K9ulf to realize they are both excellent trainers and very knowledgeable. I am always impressed by their work.
I will agree that it really doesn't matter if the dog is in prey when it bites or in defense, it still hurts and has the desired result.
A dog can start out in prey and switch gears into a fight drive or defense. We teach our Police K-9's and SchH dogs that anyone running; away or even towards us attacking and screaming is prey. Prey brings speed and speed brings power. Remember Newton's second law of motion: Force = Mass x Acceleration? A dog viewing a running attacker as prey will engage faster than the same dog who views that person running straight at him as a threat. When the dog hits and bites he can switch gears, usually the subject is on the ground and the dog has gained a very nice advantage. In reality, it doesn't matter what drive the dog is in as long as he is committed to fight and ready and willing to engage when the handler gives the command.
I also work with many dogs that function predominately in prey and will tag you just as quick, we call them Malinois. They make excellent Police dogs as well and are good examples of Newton's law.
Many dogs come from Europe with a foundation in various dog sports. It depends on the country the dog is from. Some may have a SchH foundation, others may have a KNPV foundation. Occasionally, you will see a titled dog for sale. I see more titled KNPV dogs going to our special forces as the guys I know travel to Europe and hand pick them. The vast majority are somewhat "green" and not tilted.
Yes, a good dog can easily make the transition from sport work to Patrol dog. I raised my own dog from a seven week old pup and did SchH with him for the first two years, then I retrained him as my Patrol dog. He is a very good example of an excellent sport dog that is now an excellent Police K-9. AS a Police K-9 he has many apprehensions and has encountered several combative suspects. His actual street bites have been extremely consistent; full, hard and crushing. Exactly like his sport work days. I will start with a new puppy in the spring to train for my next Patrol dog.
The owner needs the dog to react to the behavior of an assailant. In the end it doesn't matter if the dog is reacting in prey or defense as long as he's civil. I know many dogs who function predominantly in prey and don't give a rats ass about equipment. Jmo
I haven't watched any of the videos posted yet, but I have seen enough videos from both Melanie (GSDfan) and K9ulf to realize they are both excellent trainers and very knowledgeable. I am always impressed by their work.
I will agree that it really doesn't matter if the dog is in prey when it bites or in defense, it still hurts and has the desired result.
A dog can start out in prey and switch gears into a fight drive or defense. We teach our Police K-9's and SchH dogs that anyone running; away or even towards us attacking and screaming is prey. Prey brings speed and speed brings power. Remember Newton's second law of motion: Force = Mass x Acceleration? A dog viewing a running attacker as prey will engage faster than the same dog who views that person running straight at him as a threat. When the dog hits and bites he can switch gears, usually the subject is on the ground and the dog has gained a very nice advantage. In reality, it doesn't matter what drive the dog is in as long as he is committed to fight and ready and willing to engage when the handler gives the command. I also work with many dogs that function predominately in prey and will tag you just as quick, we call them Malinois. They make excellent Police dogs as well and are good examples of Newton's law.
by zdog on 03 June 2013 - 20:06
I will agree that it really doesn't matter if the dog is in prey when it bites or in defense, it still hurts and has the desired result.
I can't tell you how many times i've heard the bad guy say, "that didn't hurt, it was only a prey bite" :)
I can't tell you how many times i've heard the bad guy say, "that didn't hurt, it was only a prey bite" :)
by Nans gsd on 03 June 2013 - 22:06
Well guys, I have not seen anything come from Europe with what I would call "GREAT" training of any kind. Show me the video's of your so called "GREAT" dogs from Europe with training on them. IPO, PSA, or PPD. Very interested in seeing them. Thx for sharing. Nan
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