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northwoodsGSD

by northwoodsGSD on 13 June 2013 - 01:06

There is an add on here with a photo of a dog & it looks like it is wearing an e-collar on it's neck(normal use) & another one around its belly area. What would be the reason behind doing this? I've never seen this set up before....

by hexe on 13 June 2013 - 06:06

Uh-oh...this is a mighty big can of worms you're seeking to open.

Personally, I view such use of an e-collar to be abusive treatment of the animal.

Hired Dog

by Hired Dog on 13 June 2013 - 06:06

Some dogs need more then an E collar on the neck. Depending on what you are trying to accomplish, you need stim in different areas...position changes, training the dog to move with you as you sidestep, etc.
There are also E collars that can be put at the base of the tail, none are abusive, depending on the dog and your goals, but, like someone else said, talking about this in here can open a huge can of worms. 

 

Kaffirdog

by Kaffirdog on 13 June 2013 - 06:06

Makes me shudder.

Margaret N-J

by Dobermannman on 13 June 2013 - 09:06

It's the level of the stimulation and not the position of the collar that makes it abusive. Even then it depends on the circumstances. If a dog is about to run out into traffic and get killed? Then a high stim maybe required to save its life


Thomas Barriano

Kaffirdog

by Kaffirdog on 13 June 2013 - 09:06

I don't think an ecollar on various bits of a dogs anatomy has anything to do with correcting life threatening behaviour, it is purely for handler ego feeding through sports.  I don't have a problem with dog sports, as long a it is sport for the dog as well as the handler, just with chasing electricy through a dogs body to make it perform for points.

Margaret N-J

by Dobermannman on 13 June 2013 - 09:06

Margaret

You're misrepresenting what I wrote. Collars on tails, belly, side of the next etc are about positioning not correction.
Low level stimulation is not "chasing electricity" through the body.

Thomas Barriano

Kaffirdog

by Kaffirdog on 13 June 2013 - 10:06

Any stim chases electric through the dogs body, we just don't see the outside effect of it unless it is high enough to override the the electical impulses of the dogs nervous system and cause vocalising or muscle twitching.

Margaret N-J

Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 13 June 2013 - 10:06

The time I saw it done, it seemed like it was more for the amusement of the white trash bystanders, judging by the howls of laughter as the dog froze and shook, afraid to move a muscle, even ignoring commands it knew well. Nauseating. But hey, anything to get that extra point. I mean, the dog wouldn't be happy with anything less than total commitment to the "sport." It's about teamwork, right?

Hired Dog is right in theory. Unfortunately, practical applications fall short in my experience, which is thankfully limited. 

Hired Dog

by Hired Dog on 13 June 2013 - 10:06

There will always be those who will argue against certain tools and those who will defend them. There will always be those whose minds cannot be changed and those who are willing to learn.
ANY tool can be abusive, flat collar, choke or prong...hell, I can hurt a dog really bad with a shoelace around its neck just the same way I can train one with it.
I dont compete, I seek no points, but, I do seek impeccable obedience and no questions asked responses from any dog I own. If that means I need to use an E collar, so be it, I make no excuses and offer no apologies for my use of tools.





 


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