Please help...can someone find out if these two dogs have shutzhund titles or not?? - Page 6

Yogie, give her a break. She's a newbie.

Newbie or not - it always go back to the same old thing - she came on here talking about this breeder - question his integrity - now  lets put her's on the line........All of us that breed hope we don't sell to the crazy person that posts on this database........She blindly goes into a purchase - then questions all that the man has said to her.......questions the actual parents - questions the titles, wants to do dna - didnt like the conditions that he delivered the puppy in........not one thing was right in her mind about this puppy or this breeder....then she comes on - asking us about this puppy - this breeder - questioning titles - then says I might want to breed............  

like I said - this breeder doesn't come up on the searches- so why did she pick this breeder?   Why did she not see all the other website that come up when you google - Alabama - TN - or GA........The big ones come up first.........what was her motive  - what made her pick this mans pups - then decide to stab him in the back -for heaven sakes did you buy this dog from the gas station?   you had to now something when you were looking for your puppy.......   newbie or not - you take the chance coming on this database of being questioned -  so I pose the questions.  

I would like more detail before we start bashing this guy- which has already been done......  Give us some history - on how you found this breeder - why you picked his lines - and did you not happen to see  any of the top breeders in the surround states........

There are alot of small kennels in the State of Alabama that have some awesome dogs that don't come up on the radar - but GSD world is a small community - it gets around if somebody is looking for a puppy - because they "shop" they go from breeder to breeder to breeder before they buy a dog....  And guess what - we all know each other....  that is the ones that have been in the state a while.......

So newbie or not - she took the chance to come on her to actually mention some ones name - post his pedigree's - and bad mouth him.........I just stood back and took a look that is all - it doesn't seem fair to this breeder - for a newbie - or anyone else to come on and badmouth someone - when she is a newbie and doesn't even know if her accusations are justified.....You can do research with out coming on this database and asking the question to the entire world after you bought you pup.....

Also seems to me - I personally wouldn't want the world looking at my dog as possibly not what I put on his pedigree....Of course this is my opinion - sure you friendly sorts will say poor newbie don't pick on her.   But don't take the chance newbie to post to the world.... do your research in silence.....

Bad Mood.
Yogie

Eh...we're all entitled to be grouchy now & then. 

To be fair, the OP wasn't the one who brought up breeding the pup...and didn't say she was planning on doing so. She just asked if the lines were breedworthy. 

Yogie, if you bred a litter from a pair both owned by you, and someone asked you for proof of the titles on your dogs, would your initial reply be 'I've bred these two before, and no one else ever asked to see proof of anything'?  I strongly doubt it. That, and the follow-up response of having to ask the club if he can show her the proof of titling, are extremely suspicious. I don't care if his breeding stock is titled or not, but if you're going to publish that they ARE titled on one of your pages, and then 'forget' to mention those titles on every other page you've listed the dogs' info on, do you find that indicative of a straight-shooter? I strongly doubt that as well.  However, should it turn out that the breeder is just sloppy, sloppy, sloppy about continuity on what they publish about their dogs, and clueless about who would control showing proof of titles to a buyer because he bought both dogs titled, and in fact both of these dogs ARE titled, well, then, I will be only too eager to retract my suspicions in the same manner I voiced them.

Actually I asked the OP if she was thinking about breeding her.  I remember when I got my first dog. I didn't know anything and was grateful for the help I was offered.

I agree Yogi, it's not fair to breeder, and some posters feed into it making them look like the next step above a newbie( somebody that knows enough to be self righteous ).....lol....she asked a simple question and should have been given a simple answer.

by I love longcoats on 20 July 2013 - 10:53	I love longcoats Posts: 17 Joined: Sat Mar 02, 2013 01:12 am
not planned on it, why?

by I love longcoats on 20 July 2013 - 20:37	I love longcoats Posts: 17 Joined: Sat Mar 02, 2013 01:12 am
Blitzen  IF she passes OFA do you think the lines she if from are good enough lines to breed her in a few years? I do not plan on doing Schutzhund, I want to do therapy with her

@Blitzen - first she did respond she wasn't planning on it - then she posted the second respond.

I am not trying to give you a heart time "Ilovelongcoats" - but don't you think it would have been in better taste to do your research off pdb first?   Whether he is legit or not - you have now smeared his name all of the world wide web.  Get your facts straight first.  There is nothing wrong about asking a question - but putting a name to why you are asking in my book is in poor taste.

@Hexe - yes I would show my scorebooks.   I am proud of my dogs accomplishments.  But if the newbie new about titles and ask to see the credentialingof those titles - then she should have known about scorebooks - it isnt to hard to learn about them- afterall she came on pdb - so she has been reading probably for some time -

yogie

The point I was trying to make when I ask if she was planning to breed the dog was this - if not, then she really didn't need to be so concerned about DNA or titles. The topic evolved from titles to DNA. I then advised her to train her dog, get to know her, have her hips and elbows and appropriate health tests done and THEN com back here and ask for advise on the dog's pedigree.

I thought the point of the thread was to be sure she was getting what she was promised. To be sure she paid for a puppy that fit what she was promised, which appearantly is by the sales pitch.... a puppy from two sch titled dogs that acheived sch2. It does not matter what she does with the pup. It does matter if she was told lies and based this money transaction off of those lies and found the promise that her puppy came from sch titled parents. If she would not have purchased had they not been sch dogs then it does make a difference be it bred or never bred, does not matter. 

Call akc order a Dna test kit
comes in envelop. With instructions
follow them. Return with info needed 
wait for further instrctions from akc
hopefully u do have akc papers 

if dna does not match u will be advised what to do

YR

Do not let this breeder get by with this insult to the gsd breeders here
Get busy now ,after the fact , get dna done first
Never buy a gsd without asking for a well known GSD trainer or breeders help
Hope u get answers 
We could have led u to answers before u bought had u come here first
after AKC answers let us know
YR