Boban vom grauen Monstab - Page 11

DDR-DSH Thanks for your last two posts. I always like to get both sides of the story, saves being embarrased. The animal rights groups are very scarry. If I ever decide to breed again I will ask for your prayers, cause it seems to be the only thing that one can rely on as there is no mercy here. P.S. I own a Boban young male, and he and I are buds. I did not see in his dad what I have been reading here either. Just my two cents worth.

DDR-DSH, As we frequent many of the same threads I have read and valued many of your comments. You certainly know as well as I that people on this board and elsewhere are frequently motivated by something other than benevolence and a search for truth. Most of us also know that the AR comunity is the moral equivalent of Josef Stalin. They are deranged left wing freaks who generally have no veterinary knowledge or even common sense. As I have stated before, they are not to be trusted in ANY context. While I can not possibly know the truth of your confrontation, I have seen them distort cases in the past, and so know very well their capabilities and level of sincerity. You are quite right in your statement that they are the enemies of all breeders. I hope that all of us wake up and pay attention. Like other left wing movements they have distorted the facts and manipulated public sentiment. We even see shows like Animal Cops in which they tell a dramatized and inaccurate version while the footage runs telling a very different and less dramatic story. Wake up People. This can happen to YOU. Best Wishes Jonah

jdh, Tell us how you really feel.ha ha. I coudn't have said it better myself. This is all apart of a bigger plan and the folks can't see it coming. Like the Sunomi (sp) everyone sits and wonders where all the water went, then devistation. Laws are passed by these groups and as long as it's not in my back yard then who cares. When it reaches my back yard it's too late. Besides, it's easier and more fun to get on this board and tear everyone down that can't defend themselves. This is a classic on human nature.

DDR-- I was in the middle of another discussion when you chose to respond to Laporte. I realize how difficult that must have been for you. I remember when you first started posting, you spoke of a similar case and I had my suspicions of your inside knowledge. I don't really know what to say. My gut is telling me you were in way over your head. We both know there is no excuse for any animal not having a true quality of life, and I have to believe you did all you could for those dogs. From your first post, it has been evident to me that you have a great love for the breed. As I said before, I go with my gut. You were in over your head. I do hope you find peace of mind, and look forward to reading your posts in the future.

Idoggie2.. The condition of the dogs themselves was very acceptable overall, as testified to by one of the men who helped to impound them. He testified that the dogs were in good condition. And they were, save one, and that was largely my husband's fault. It had been under his care at another location up until three days before the raid. I didn't want to, but I was forced to bring this dog to the kennel and do an intervention. I had to hand feed this dog, or it would not eat. The dog was so run down that it had "exertional myopathy", where the animal has run so much that there is NO body fat and it's started to consume it's own muscle. This was a very neurotic dog, never bred or planned for breeding, and I should have had it euthanized just for it's general uselessness long before, but like a stupid, sentimental ass, I did not. Left in my husband's care, this dog did very badly. He loves animals, but on not in a hands-on kind of way, and he only saw the dog after dusk and didn't notice anything was amiss until it was recumbent. Then he called me, of course! I love my husband, but he is a dolt sometimes. Other times he has been a real life-saver. What can I say? This was the one dog that gave the authorities their "probable cause" and it was the first one they killed (right after they took pictures of it as evidence). The poor dog would not even eat at first, but I got it eating again and it was on the mend. Like I said.. I should not have even bothered. It was a completely worthless dog that I took sympathy on. Nobody wanted it, so I just kept it, hoping to find a home for it someday. The prosecutors wanted me, because I was the "breeder", i.e. "puppymiller". They did not know or care that my husband was at fault, but it really didn't matter. I took the plea as a pragmatic decision, because I saw that they wanted to get "the breeder", and that this was their apparent (political animal rights) motivation. Also, my job / carreer was a lot more secure than my husband's, and he would likely be working after I retired in a few years, so I considered all of this as well, i.e. what would be on our records.

I had a couple of dogs who could have used a bit more weight on them, and one was footsore, but as I already mentioned, the dogs were being frequently agitated by the crazy "party" activities and people hanging out in the alley behind me. If you've never had a kennel or haven't had a lot of dogs, you may not be aware of it, but some of our dogs are compulsive fence-runners. This goes to their herding instincts. If anything goes on, at all, they are up and running for a hour, doing laps in their kennel. Sometimes, these dogs need to be put into isolation or crated to limit their activity. The animal rights know-it-alls would tell us that we cannot crate or chain our dogs.. cruel, cruel, cruel! Well, what do you do with a dog that wants to run all day and doesn't want to eat? I had one like that named "Monsy" years ago. She was emaciated, until I finally bench-chained within a few feet of her automatic feeder and water bucket for several hours a day. She was unhappy about it, but she gained weight and looked fine after that. Over one dog like that, I could get ALL of my dogs impounded. That's the law! Do you think that this should be changed? I will tell you one thing, for sure! I was ever-so-grateful that I did not have any boarding dogs in the kennel at the time. I couldn't take any, I had so many of my own! But it was not 64, I can tell you that! This is the problem with these media cases.. They just get so crazy and wild! And the media has NO responsibility to tell the truth or to do fact-finding. If some irresponsible ass tells them something, they can publish it! Back to the boarding dogs.. If I had had any, they would have been caught up in the mess, too! Several of my dogs died from the bad care in the first few weeks of their impoundment. Now, think about that, and tell me that we don't need to change this law! How would you feel if you boarded a dog and had it impounded in a criminal case, and it died? What a nightmare!

Oldschool.. After seeing the Boban videos, I like that dog, and I like him a lot. He takes your breath away! LaPorte asked me why I bred Ufo repeatedly, and the fact of the matter is that there is no way we can know what a dog will produce until he is bred to a variety of good bitches. I like hot food, and I like the dogs hot, too. I would definitely consider chancing a breeding to Boban at this point...If I was still breeding. But I am not. I get offers every so often on dogs, still, and I have to remind myself that I am no longer in the "dog business" and that an expensive dog or breeding would be an extravagance that I cannot afford. Besides, I am happiest with just a few dogs.. two is ideal, really. I have that, now, and I am thinking of placing one dog back with the breeder so that I can try one breeding with my frozen semen and keep a pup. I just try to keep an open mind on all things, and I want to be fair to Boban and his owner. We will never know what Boban can produce until he is given the opportunity. If you say you have a Boban son that you are happy with, I am happy for you, and that is a good mark on him. No dog produces ALL perfect offspring, of course. We cannot judge by one pup or one litter. I want to make it clear that the problems I had with Ufo were Ufo's problems and Boban is another animal, altogether. If I owned him I would not be in a hurry to sell him, but I would maybe be holding him off the market a little as well. After seeing a consistent problem in several litters from my Ufo, I had to admit that he had been a major waste of time and a dead end for me. My only reservations with the commercialization of some of these high-drive dogs is the inevitability of problems when and if they get into the hands of idiots with the money to buy them. Unfortuneately, if a dog like Boban gets the reputation that he is a very bad dog, it could make him a lot more marketable to the wrong kind of people, and that is a bad thing overall for our dogs. Personally, I am not overeager to put good dogs into others' hands anymore. The value of these dogs surpasses the price that they can be sold for. There are other ways to make money, and easier ones, at that.

Thanks, LMH and jdh.. The discerning eye sees and the honest mind will know the truth.

Just put the beast down.

I also have a Boban pup. She is one fine girl. Boban is not a beast. Mishandled maybe...