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by waleed786 on 24 April 2014 - 08:04

As a newbie and owner of a showline gsd i've noticed alot of 'top breeders' particularly in countries like serbia, croatia, macedonia, czech republic etc have dogs with these traits/qualities? Is this just how they breed or the way the dogs are stacked or what?

last here we had sv judge rudi mai at one of our shows and he reckoned this should not be what breeders should be be breeding? Whats your thoughts.


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 24 April 2014 - 13:04

I've noticed this, too. Some of the top lines are actually shaped like the letter 'C'!  THis dog is from Serbia:

These are very poor countries, and I imagine there are very few people who can afford to breed dogs. So, I think these extreme toplines are one of the influential breeder(s) ways of interpreting the standard, and it has caused everyone else in the country to follow suit.

Sometimes I see dogs from India with this sort of top line too. Interestingly enough, this dog's mother was titled in India!

 

As usual, it probably boils down to money and politics. :(


by joanro on 24 April 2014 - 15:04

Red Bedlington terriers. That is common every where, SS. If judges stopped putting them up, breeders would have to stop breeding them if they want to show successfully.

by khalid Azeem on 24 April 2014 - 15:04

Hello Waleed,

You'v noticed right... Im a newbie just like you and as Sunlilver said these are poor countries and I believe that the dump and waste goes to these countries while the creame stays is germany. Banana backs and extream angulation are very common in these countires and Asia too but breeders are slowly realizing (alteast in our part). Also its ones choice what animal they are getting but as these countries have cheap dogs (compared to the price in germany) people often choose to import from these countries and the breed passes on. Recently our club's Secretary announced in a confrence meeting that people should refrian from importing dogs from these countries as there is a huge problem in paperwork, correspondence etc. More experienced people on this board will tell you more.


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 24 April 2014 - 15:04

Red Bedlington terriers?  LOL! You are too funny, Joan!  Teeth Smile

 

Yup, you are probably right about Germany using these countries as a dumping ground for dogs they can't sell elsewhere. The ugliest GSD I've ever seen wound up going to Vietnam.


by Nans gsd on 24 April 2014 - 17:04

Well they have created this roached back;  I am sure they do not know how to get rid of it now.  Not fond of it personally, and think it is going to come back to bite us in the behind, relatively soon.  We humans created this monster, now we need to fix it.  Nan


by SitasMom on 24 April 2014 - 19:04

Sunlilver - in the photo, the handler is pushing the dog's butt down which in this case forces it to bend its back.
Tight leash, hind legs set way back and hand on thigh pushing forward.
I'd like to see what the dog looks like standing naturally.


by SitasMom on 24 April 2014 - 19:04

There are breeders that are turning out good puppies - for instance.

Feetback is from Serbia
Vlady-Sal is from Slovakia
z Trojmezi is from Czech Rebublic

Something very important to realize - the top half of most foreign litters are held back and sold close to home, no matter what country they come from.

 


by khalid Azeem on 24 April 2014 - 19:04

looks like they don't sell out the balanced dogs because 90% of the adds from EU on this site have dogs that are stacked that way (or are that way). Even the pics are too loud in color. 


Xeph

by Xeph on 24 April 2014 - 20:04

Even if that dog weren't being pushed on, his spine couldn't be made to look so extreme if it weren't already curved.






 


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