GSDCA Announcement - Page 10

Sitas Mom:

I believe you will find that Dr. Morton Goldfarb is the Liaison for the GSDCA not Mr. Yee. To my knowledge the GSDCA-WDA does not and has never had an official membership in the WUSV. It is possible that the GSDCA may have allowed Mr. Yee to go as their representative at some point in time. I believe David Landau was the official GSDCA Liaison until recently when he was replaced by Dr. Goldfarb.  You might want to check the membership list on the WUSV website to see if either the GSDCA-WDA or the WDA is listed as a member. I believe you will find only two bona fide members from this country and they will be The German Shepherd Dog Club of America and the United Schutzhund Clubs of America. I don't think you will find any mention of the WDA or the GSDCA-WDA on the official membership list.

The WUSV site does list other clubs in North America.  They are in Canada, Mexico, Costa Rica, El Salvadore, Guatemala and Panama. It does not mention the GSDCA-WDA as a member. It does list Joy Schultz as the contact person at the GSDCA-WDA office where paperwork is to be sent. It clearly has no indication that GSDCA-WDA or as they are now selling it, "WDA", is a member.

German influence?  Sure, why not.  German rule?  Maybe not not much.....LOL  A woman can dream, right?

I have a lot of respect for Helen, personally and professionally.  While I prefer the working lines, she's walked the walked and developed a multi generational breeding program.  That is what I think is missing in this country............................  And like I said on a personal level she extended her offer of help when I think some of my own club members enjoyed watching me struggle with the pup.

I wish her the best of luck.

I'm not sure I see a reason for anything about the standard ot change or anything currently in the GSDCA to change. The GSDCA essentially subcontracted their SV style side by forming the GSDCA-WDA. They have a committee now that can promote the same SV style dog in-house.

When I open my SV magazine, I see agility, IPO, RH, many aspects of the German Shepherd in one organization. Why does one type of German Shepherd need to be the only one? Why can't we follow the SV lead where the German Shepherd is a dog for all people? Want to play flyball, there's a German Shepherd that can do that. Want a dog for IPO? There's one that can do that. Want to show, need a dog for the police or military or just a pet? There's a Garmen Shepherd for that too. Just because you have a vision of what you think the breed should be, why does that mean an organization shouldn't represent all the attrubutes and interests of the members?

Some say the GSDCA and American judges are not in tune nor do they accept, embrace or whatever the FCI standard. I can agree to a degree but you have to look or be involved to see what opportunity is out there and what's being done. Someone mentioned showing your SV dog at AKC events and the credentials of the GSDCA Committee Chair Helen. Been there, done both. Speak from participation and not from repeating the same tired BS regurgitated on the internet. Helen's a proponent of the SV style dogs as are a few others. They have been waiving the SV flags for awhile. Where are the supporters? Not paying attention.

Here's a short story about my first experience showing an SV style dog at an AKC event. Goes like this; dog show, not to far away. Enter the dogs on infodog.com simple, easy, and cheap. No paperwork, no certification, just a simple entry. Load the dogs, friends, and go to this AKC show and see what it's all about.

Little did I know this was a big event. 4 pt. major someone said. Not sure what that means, maybe we get a trophy or something special. We are a bit amazed by what's in the parking lot. Looks more like a campground than a dog event except there are German Shepherds in these puppy pens all over the place. Is it church or something, everybody's dressed up for church. Are we in the right place? We're looking for the dog show. This is it....OK, we're at the right place. Dress for church next time, make a note of that. We have our friend AKC handler who shows up dressed for the occassion.

Things are looking better as the show begins. We get the dogs out and go over the protocol. No double handling and we have to wear these funny thin chain collars. Looks a bit sissy on the males, but, oh well. Things happen pretty fast in the ring but the judge takes the time to critique the classes. Our puppies and young dogs do OK. We did bring Fords to a Chevy event. Time for Waiko to show. He goes out and gets the nod to be in front. Following him is another German Import owned by an AKC judge. German dogs go 1,2.

I later find out what happened. Turns out there were enough judges at the event to fill the supreme court chambers. Not only that, there were top handlers and dogs flown/driven in from all over the country. In the end a statement was made.

Afterwards there's a seminar. American and German dogs were discussed by handlers and judges. There was a lot of positive information going around the room.

Point is there are some within the GSDCA that support and are receptive. Been that way for awhile. It's a big slow turning boat. Change and acceptance always is. Let's see what they make of this opportunity.

From the way I read the GSDCA/GSDCA-WDA agreement. The agreement identifies and allows representatives from the WDA to process paperwork directly with the SV for breed surveys, 'a' stamp program, etc. For the WDA to hang their hat on this agreement as being their WUSV authority,,,,I think they are reading a lot into it.

And didn't Waiko win that 4 pt major that day under Helen, Randy?

Yes he did.

I am sure that German dogs can win at AKC shows. There are German dogs with AKC champion titles. Golfarb, Smith. Smith's dog,  CH.Jim, became the first German dog to earn a GSDCA award for number of AKC Ch's produced. Lovely dog appreciated by many AKC people including some judges who bred to him.

AKC shows are not really that much different when it comes down to issues like presentation, how to dress to fit in, how to groom the dogs, etc. Showing a GSL successfully at an AKC show will probably mean a well known handler and a dog without a roach. It will at the minimum require a handler who is dressed well and who knows how to set up and present their dog in the AKC style and no smoozing of judges in the ring or obvious doubling.  I think it would be alot harder for an ASL to do well at an SV show, but if anyone wanted to give it a shot they had better not show up dressed for church with an overgroomed dog fresh off the grooming table or a pocket full of liver .

PS: AKC folks would never transport their dogs in a trialer, so best to leave them at home or park in a field out of sight of the other exhibitors. AKC folks would need to buy a trailer to show at an SV show unless that wanted to look too AKCish.

I also showed some of my dogs in AKC shows over the years.  My dogs Argon v.d. Medlenhaus and Franko v.d. Medlenhaus were both shown. Franko was shown several times and earned a Best iin Breed at at one point event.  Reviews from spectators were not too favorable but none of those making comments were ever willing to enter any of our International Style Shows.

Blitzen.  I'm in trouble than.  I always carry a pocket full of liver bits when at a show.  Of course I had my start in AKC

Reggie

That's a really good picture of Waiko, Randy. I love that dog's head. He's a nice dog in every respect.