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Dumb question why do the Americans think they got a superior system to the Germans?

Should be easy to measure the better dogs on average given no system is perfect.

Yep. Dumb question.

BZCZ says, "Let's not let our "enthusiasm{" change the facts!  GSDCA is NOT going to ever run IPO in any way, shape form or fashion."

For me, the jury is still out.  "The times are changing."  

Those of us who know the old guard GSDCA understand where BZCZ's comments come from.

Those of us who know the current global American GSD organiational changes afoot are optimistic.

Time will tell.

 

<"Global" organisational changes afoot>?

 

I think that's what vk4 was asking about;  looking in from the

(not US) outside, its actually not such a dumb question.

There is such a thing as thinking too big for your boots, y'know.

 

Interesting comparison, on a smaller scale, the UK GSD community

has had its share of 'political' (note lower-case 'p') struggles over the

years.  Some arose from the attitude of the people supporting the

'Alsatian', over German dogs, a little like the GSDCA seems to lean

towards ASL type, and activities.  Some of it was just as nasty as this

current battle sounds.  But time rolls on ...

 

Must say, I look forward with relish, after suitable elapse of time, to just

what the GSDCA sets up for itself in the way of the separate sports/working

organisation, if it actually does.  I suspect it might be a good laugh. 

First, let me say, my dog is not in this fight.  I don't know either Mr. Fasano or Mr. Yee. I do know several people who do know Mr. Fasano and speak very highly of him as a man of integrity. I was, however, a member of the GSDCA-WDA for a number of years and was very active both locally and nationally and during those years I don't recall ever hearing Mr. Yee's name.  That is not to besmirch him or  say that he isn't trustworthy or intelligent but rather to just say that I don't know him.

Unless something quite drastic has changed within the WUSV during the last several months,  The GSDCA-WDA is not a member of the WUSV and to my knowledge never was. The organization operates  and has operated solely within the coattails of the German Shepherd Dog Club of America. Its official existence in the international arena is facilitated by and  through its affiliation with the GSDCA.  That is not to say, the WUSV can not or may not recognize the GSDCA-WDA but, to do so, it would require the voted approval of the WUSV membership. Currently, and unless the WUSV membership votes to change, only two individuals from this country have an authorized seat and voting rights at meetings of the WUSV. Those individuals are the Official WUSV Liaisons of the German Shepherd Dog Club of America and the United Schutzhund Clubs of America. Now, I will bet my favorite Fur-Saver that should the GSDCA-WDA come to the floor for a membership vote, the only two votes permitted to be cast by organizations in this country would be cast against it.

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Gosh, I met Helen when I got my first working dog years ago.  She was very helpful to someone totally new.  Especially one that had not bought a dog from her and was not in her club.  If I remember correctly she offered more assistance then my club members did.

I wish her and the organization the best of luck.  Maybe it is the beginning of a new era.

If I remember my history correctly it would not be the first time that organizations split, lawsuits are threatned and new clubs form from the ashes of the old.  Didn't USCA have a shaky start including some rather quesionable leadership?  And they seem to be doing just fine now.

Personally?  I would love to see a good roboust program for the German Shepherd developed here independent of Germany.  Maybe this is the first step of many, many steps.......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Betty:

I fully agree with almost everything you said. Helen Gleason is top shelf. She will labor long and hard to carryout the mandate she has been given. I am most confident she will carry her weight and put together a workable and internationally respected program.  That new committee under her leadership will possibly be the Phoenix Bird for the international standard and working dogs in this country. I certainly wish her success.

I do, however,  disagree with your desire for our country to become independent of the German influence over the breed. I think we need to retain our relationship with the SV, WUSV at least until the the GSDCA Standard can be eliminated and replaced with the WUSV's Standard.  Granted the GSDCA Standard will be extremely difficult to get changed for two reason at least: (1) That Standard is not just a written document that lies gathering dust in a shadowy corner of a safe somewhere. It is part and parcel of the GSDCA By-Laws which to be changed would require a By-Laws amendment receiving 66% favorable votes of the membership. By-law changes are very, very difficult to accomplish. (2) there is quite probably a majority of the GSDCA  members who actually like their standard exactly like it is. Many of them actually think and contend that their dogs are better because of it. Unfortunately those who think the GSDCA Standard is better put on earmuffs and turn off their hearing aids with any discussion of the change is occuring.

The standard change will almost require divine intervention to happen.  

You bring up a good point Richard.  

Maybe we should all start flooding the AKC ring with our German dogs? I wonder what effect that would have?

The official WUSV/SV/GSDCA-WDa liaison is Dan Yee, per the Jan-Feb WDA magazine.
Wouldn't he then be the one having the authority to go the meeting and vote on behalf of the GSDCA and the WDA?

Point well taken regarding the thought of being independent over the German influence. I'm pretty sure we won't see that idea coming from Helen. She has the utmost respect for the German way, has bred to some of the best Va dogs - Zamp, Quenn, Paul,  Dux. Her most beloved dogs were German imports - a Cary daughter and a Jango son. All of her current dogs are 4th and 5th generations from those dogs. She attends the BSZS every year.  Helen could have been the first female to be licensed to judge at both AKC and SV shows had she not been the victim of GSD politics.

This is 3 generations of Sch3 dogs all trained and titled by Helen, 2 were bred by her. 

Have faith.... she will not compromise her goal ......"The German Shepherd is the TOTAL Dog limited only by the time and effort we put forth to train them"