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GSD Lineage

by GSD Lineage on 24 May 2014 - 08:05

SusieChase, the DNA donor for the Toppy Clones was still alive when these clones were made..
The Toppy's were clonned from a Labrador Retriever named Chase.

Dogs Cloned in South Korea Get to Work in a Narcotic Squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8tCnppRmAw


susie

by susie on 24 May 2014 - 18:05

Thank you, Lineage.

I am only able to think about 3 reasons, WHY people would clone a dog

1. Scientists, who want to know, if they are able to do it
2. People who lost their beloved pet
3. Professionals looking for the "perfect" dog for the job

1, Scientists invented the atom bomb, too. Not everything able to be done should be done.
2. A clone is not the lost animal, can´t be ( memories, experiences, lifestyle...)
3. There are always better dogs out there...

I really think that we are PART of nature, not ruler.

Think about cloning

perfect soldiers
perfect workers
perfect scientists
perfect mothers
...

We wouldn´t be humans any more but numbers, changeable, as soon as there is a better "model" - just frightening.


by joanro on 24 May 2014 - 18:05

Susie, people have already been reduced to " Consumers" and "Human Resources" and have become expendable with monetary values designated for every body part.
I can definately see the US making perfect soldiers which would be more cost effective in the long run. Drones, not clones are replacing the soldier.

GSD Lineage

by GSD Lineage on 24 May 2014 - 21:05

That is a nice list Susie, There is another known reason for clones and that is uniformity to each other. This is why identical twins are so important to scientific experiments and understanding if a condition is genetic or aquired.

Clones are "Like" identical twins... only.. there can be as many multiples as resources allow and they can be born at different points in time, or together.

Toppy!! (Tommorrow's Puppy)
Is a perfect research subject to see what training method works best. 

If we have 7 Toppies, we can send 3 to Dog school A, 3 to Dog school B, one can stay at home and at the end we see what dog training school program made a better airport customs narcotic detector dog.

What Joanro said is true,
Google has purchased robotics companies like Boston Dynamics, 
best known for the development of BigDog, a quadruped robot designed for the U.S. military with funding fromDefense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA),[1][2] 

Here is one of the dogs, and some others but the really scary ones are the ones that fly and hover.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj83dL72cvg


susie

by susie on 28 May 2014 - 18:05

Thought about "Toppy" -

" If we have 7 Toppies, we can send 3 to Dog school A, 3 to Dog school B, one can stay at home and at the end we see what dog training school program made a better airport customs narcotic detector dog."

This is not true, we only see what dog training program was better for Toppy, and Toppy only.
That said, we would need to reduce a whole breed to "Toppy" - otherwise different results with different dogs.

At least I am not interested in a breed (?) called "Toppy"...


by joanro on 28 May 2014 - 18:05

Toppy is here to stay, Susie.
In the PBR, the most successful bulls have been cloned over and over again...and the clones buck the same as the donor bull and they buck the same as each other....bucking is a behavior which is not trained to the animal; further proof (for me, at least) that behaviors are genetic. Therefore, I don't believe that Toppys are going to vary too much, no matter who trains him. Cloning is effectively cementing into the cloned animal the donor's race memory and muscle memory without taking generations and decades to accomplish. I can definately see where cloning trained, exceptional working dogs can be benneficial.
The goals of cloning has definately been successful and therefore an asset to the stock contractors of PBR.

susie

by susie on 28 May 2014 - 18:05

I don´t need to like, do I?
In my very personal opinion cloning is morally wrong.
I know it happens, I know it´s allowed in several countries, but this doesn´t change my opinion...


by bzcz on 28 May 2014 - 19:05

Completely disagree with the bucking comment.  Bucking is a learned behavior to remove the flanking strap.  A bull will change his bucking style to get rid of the rider (at least the higher echelon bulls do).  Each bull has a style but then you can watch a bull change it up on a rider.  It is learned behavior, not genetic or imprinted.

 

 


by joanro on 28 May 2014 - 20:05

Bzcz, the cloned bulls buck in the same style. One can watch a bull buck and know it is a clone before the information is announced. Further, bucking is not a learned behavior...if it was, the bull owners would not spend thousands upon thousands of dollars cloning great bucking bulls...the behavior is replicated in the clnes. Also, a bull will buck without a flank strap...if he needs a flank strap to buck,, he is not a natural bucker....the bull is bucking to offload the rider and kicking at the flank.
Btw, if bucking was not genetic, why do you suppose a two or three year old bull will buck the first time tested, (often with no flank strap) ? Also, if bucking was not genetic, why would the breeders of bucking bulls keep daughters of outstanding buckers to use in their breeding program...and if bucking was not a geneticly passed down behavior, why would the stock contractors/breeders buck the daughters of outstanding bulls to use the eggs from the very best buckers for embryo transplant into serroget cows in order to increase the production from DAUGHTERS of outstanding/great bucking bulls. Bucking is GENETIC and PBR bull breeders are capitalizing on the science of cloning and embryo transplant to produce bulls that are essentially un-ridable. The bullriders are having come up with some creative training for themselves to try to match the GENETICALLY created buckers.

Behaviors are deffinately passed on genetically, the evidence is every where.

susie

by susie on 28 May 2014 - 20:05

Just reread: Cloning is effectively cementing into the cloned animal the donor's race memory and muscle memory without taking generations and decades to accomplish.

Sorry, but I´m not able to believe this - never heard about (muscle)memory in a clone - seems to be impossible.






 


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