Dog Training - Crowd Control - Page 1

Dogs being trained to crowd control when there are "Violent Offenders"
Note the use of the tug toy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGlMB-IZnt4

Out and recall on a toy (on the end of the video)  is flawed training principle for "street" LE dogs. JMO. 

Extremely bad training.

Prager/bzcz

Lacking an explanation for "the tug reward at the out"......I would tentatively agree with your comments.

Having said that, I think you are both jumping the gun and making comments without enough information in which to base your comments.

Maybe, that particular dog has previous issues with "the out" and they are bridging it in training so to speak. Maybe..... there is more going on than what is seen or explained in the video....I don't know, and I suspect no one reading this post knows the answer either.

Maybe an idea, just an idea to look at all of the possibilities....and discuss the possibilities in a positive and intelligent manner... prior to labeling this as a "flawed training principle" or "extremely bad training".

Just my 2 cents.......carry on doing what this Forum does best!

 

Kim

 

 

In my opinion a dog is suitable for crowd control or is not suitable and will never be, no matter how long you train them

look at intention of dog, focus of dog etc , the overfocus of prey and fooddrive in todays sportdogbreeding wil make it more and more hard to find dog hat will really be suitable for jobs like this

this is vid of my old male, look at intention/focus/guarding, this you cannot teach a dog, it is thre or it is not

 

 

Bz you went straight to the gutter on this one. training was.perfect for its purpose - police recruitment video showing dogs trained for tough work using motivational fun methods and hot chicks . perfect for its purpose.

remember uk cops rarely use force unless all other options are thoroughly exhausted. most have never carried.

VK, do you think this way of rewarding on a tug can result in a situation where he comes agains hooligans and they throw some small item at the handlers and the dog will go for the prey/item instead of the hooligans

I don't really understand why people are so against using a tug reward for an out for any dog, sport or "real"  all this talk about high prey sport dogs, blah, blah, blah.  Do you know how easy it is to train one of those high prey sport dogs to maintain his grip on a man over chasing a tug? or any other thrown object? 

If you find your training is resulting in dogs worried or anticipating getting a tug over biting the big guy, you need to select much, much, much better dogs, or you need to find someone else to train your dogs because you aren't doing it correctly.  
 

After the out, the dog should remain focused on the man.  Period.  This is for real, not sport work.  What if the man pulls a weapon to "protect" himself against the dog.  Dog will be focused on handler looking for a toy. 

The out should be taught to the dog so that he understands another grip could be coming.   A correctly taught dog also knows how to fight using his bark and his body, not just his grip.

No gutter VK.  an educated observation based on fact and direct observation and not a bunch of internet hooey.

 

 

and if you can't train a dog to be focused on the man, even while using a tug reward for the out, you need to find a new line of work.