GSDCA sieger show - Page 2

Here's a 100% GERMAN dog that has its championship. Okay, this was CKC, but whoopdedo...BIG difference...NOT.

Gee, sure doesn't look American with that curved back. And he's also doing really well in local SV style shows!

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=612256-can-ch-tattoo-vom-team-zellwaldrand

He's too straight in his upper arm. Which many ASL are as well.  One of the reasons he's doing well in AKC style shows.  One of the big differences in the ASL and the GSD.

Blitzen, I won't be at the NASS this year.   Have been in years past and twice I was a back half helper for the NASS.

None of which explain why if the GSDCA "is changing" they would hold two different "NATIONAL CONFORMATION CHAMPIONSHIPS".  They are by definition, disingenous and are promoting two different breed standards.  This is better how????

Sunsilver:

Is the dog a V-3 or SG-3 as is reported in the comments on the pedigree link. If it has no working degree (SchH, HGH or IPO), it can not be V rated.

It is a very nice looking dog in any case and I am glad to hear you are showing him successfully.

I can see some pros and cons to having both the GSDCA sieger show and the National Specialty run back to back. Pros would be; some SV dogs could enter the speciality. Some AKC dogs could enter the sieger show. Cons would be; some SV dogs could enter the speciality. Some AKC dogs could enter the sieger show.

Seriously, one day the mentality may change to where the GSD enthusiasts acknowledge there are other types of German Shepherds out there and as long as I'm able to do what I want to do with the type of German Shepherd I like; I don't have to condem all German Shepherds that are different than mine just because I'm so smart, mine are better. Because I think mine are better, you shouldn't be allowed to have yours. Until people get a brain and wise up, we will have seperation.

The two dates are a good idea. Obviously the judges selection will be interesting. My thoughts are the GSDCA could make a statement. Pick someone from within to judge your first show. With all the concern about what the GSDCA commitment is the the FCI dog, show it by selecting a judge from within. The GSDCA can do it. They have the resources. The GSDCA-WDA cannot. They have to go outside the organization. It's the perfect transition to show the GSDCA is a serious player. For years they had the GSDCA-WDA representing the FCI dog. The GSDCA has decided to retrieve that responsibility. What better way to show they can do it than by utilizing their own resources. 

bzcz:

You are right on with the upper arm comment. Your other comment about the championship fails to take into consideration how great a step in the right direction this really is for the Parent Club,{if there is to be a GSDCA Sieger Show this year}. Surely some diehards will cringe and scream at the thought that GSDCA directly puts its name in as being the host of a International Conformation Event. For me this means the World Standard with its inherent structural and anatomical superiority will be showcased for the members of the Parent Club to actually see en masse for the first time.

I believe the judges this year will be from Germany.

 Dog 1

Seriously, one day the mentality may change to where the GSD enthusiasts acknowledge there are other types of German Shepherds out there and as long as I'm able to do what I want to do with the type of German Shepherd I like; I don't have to condem all German Shepherds that are different than mine just because I'm so smart, mine are better. Because I think mine are better, you shouldn't be allowed to have yours. Until people get a brain and wise up, we will have seperation.

Dog 1 your second paragraph contradicts itself. 

There is only one standard.  The GSDCA has used WDA to adhere to that standard while creating their own standard for here in the US.  If the suceed in dumping WDA the WUSV will require them to adhere to the FCI standard.

They have been called on the carpet before at the yearly WUSV meeting to explain why their standard was different.  They got away with it by using WDA.  With WDA gone, that shield is gone and their incorrect standard is exposed.

Question is only how long before the WUSV does something about it.  Bet money that when they do, the GSDCA will spin the "Committee" off into it's new organization to be the shield and we'll have the NWDA (new WDA).

AMAZING how hard this is to comprehend.  You belong to a national organization (GSDCA) that belongs to a world organization (WUSV).  The WUSV gets it's standard from the FCI.  The FCI states that it gets the standard from the country of origin of the breed (SV) in this case.  That is all one standard with a paper trail on how it gets from there to here. 

If you want your own standard, create your own breed or quit the WUSV.  Quit playing both sides of the fence.

breed worthiness. correct conformation is an important part of this. correct charactor/temperment is an important part of this. Health/ longevity is an important part of this. a correct and honest breed survey is key to this. 

Well, I hope that this show suceeds in spite of the naysayers. It can only be a good thing for the breed.  I feel as if more GSD owners will be supporting the entry than not. Most of the negativity so far seems to be coming from the "working" side of the breed and they wouldn't exhibit at a Sieger anyway so......................

ah the working side, as opposed to the non-working side. one breed-one standard. quit taking sides