GSDCA Lawsuit - Letter of Clarification from the AKC - Page 12

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by beetree on 12 August 2014 - 01:08

Prize money is not the answer. A change in perception of the IPO sport and the players needs to happen. The old guard is well, old. Time to let some gung-ho newbies in on the Fun. Tell them what end result you want, but not how they have to get there. I bet you would be surprised how they will succeed. Even exceed the status quo.

I think that is what you would call, breathing  new life into an organization. It doesn't mean kowtowing to newbies, just accommodating and tolerating them in a welcome way. 

If there isn't one, then provide an obvious hierarchy so the novice experiences won't impede the experts from their pace setting goals. There has to be an annual outreach to attract newbies that includes folks dedicated to giving newbies an engaging, progressive program to obtain higher levels. Something like that, since I was asked by Matt. Rudely asked, but still, that was how I took it.

The control needed for a protection dog and handler relationship should be the focus, not the instinct for a dog's aggression. If this is the new perception by the masses then you can stop the paranoia creating the closed club ranks and secrecy that exists to avoid a feared protest by PETA etc. 

Their antics are not shocking any one any more. Time to get over that one.


by zdog on 12 August 2014 - 02:08

and still I just wonder where some of you train.  What it must be like there, wherever that is, and thankful I am not there.  So many good people across so many sports, they far outnumber the bad ones.  Or maybe they're just all concentrated by everyone else???  I'm not saying I haven't seen some bad stuff out there, but come on.  I've seen it in every other aspect of life too, from teachers to orthopedic surgeons and every landscaper and contractor in between.  It's hardly unique to dogs.  I've seen the club dictators, I didn't let that make me quit.  I kept training and when I made enough friends and learned enough, we just outgrew that dictator and continued on.  When newbie after newbie after newbie comes in ready to take the world over until they find out how much work it is and quit, keep coming and going, I never let that sap my energy either.  Occassionally 1 out of 20 sticks it out more than a year and accomplishes something.  Makes it all worthwhile. 

I don't think money is at all the answer, as that's what is driving the substandard trials, the wink, wink judging, the creation of a market and the importance on marketing pedigrees and not dogs.  IPO isn't all about instinct for aggression, never was.  It isn't all about control either.  It's about balance and one without the other is useless in this aspect.  Plenty of dogs that have control, plenty that can act aggressive, it's the balance that makes them so useful the world over.  

anyway, i guess i'm thankful for the people I train with and if all the sports go away tomorrow, I'll still have my friends and dogs to go have fun with.  I honestly don't care if it grows or not.  I know what I like to do, I do it.  It's not dependant on others.  it would be nice to see IPO happening in every city park on a saturday and a few weeknights, but it isn't happening in this society and it has nothing to do with dogs, or biting or anything else like that.  People want what they want, when they want it and that is right now.  IPO doesn't work that way and until there is an appreciation for the road along the way and less emphasis on owning crap, none of the dog sports that take time are going to do well.  I can't believe someone seriously is making a concious and deliberate effort to equate "dock diving" with a sport like IPO.  How do you even debate with something like that LOL
 


clc29

by clc29 on 12 August 2014 - 03:08

Mr. Medlen,

I am proud to say that our club is definition of the type of club you perceive.

An organization of members who work together and welcome all no matter the breed or level of training experience. All of us (including the officers) volunteer our time and knowledge to help each other and I can guarantee you NO ONE profits from it. Any money our club brings in, goes back into the club. I think (and hope) that the for profit clubs are the minority not the majority and in my opinion the "clubs" that profit are businesses plain and simple.

 


momosgarage

by momosgarage on 12 August 2014 - 17:08

I have always believed that the downfall of our sport from its inception has been the local CLUBS many of which are nothing more than a business in disguise. Their leaders claim to be a CLUB, but in reality they are nothing more than a creation hell bent on being a revenue source for the CLUB'S owner(s).

@Richard Medlen, THANK YOU, for speaking the truth and airing out this "dirty laundry".

A change in perception of the IPO sport and the players needs to happen. The old guard is well, old. Time to let some gung-ho newbies in on the Fun. Tell them what end result you want, but not how they have to get there. I bet you would be surprised how they will succeed. Even exceed the status quo.

I think that is what you would call, breathing  new life into an organization. It doesn't mean kowtowing to newbies, just accommodating and tolerating them in a welcome way. 

If there isn't one, then provide an obvious hierarchy so the novice experiences won't impede the experts from their pace setting goals. There has to be an annual outreach to attract newbies that includes folks dedicated to giving newbies an engaging, progressive program to obtain higher levels. Something like that, since I was asked by Matt. Rudely asked, but still, that was how I took it.

@beetree, YES this, a million times, yes this!

 

I can't believe someone seriously is making a conscious and deliberate effort to equate "dock diving" with a sport like IPO.  How do you even debate with something like that LOL

@zdog,  re-read my posts.  Don't you dare attempt to misquote and obfuscate my comments, EVER again!

I said the GROWTH strategy of the "Dock Diving" sport should be recognized and possibly copied by IPO clubs. 

Without growth there is no future. 

NOT ONCE, DID I SAY, that dock diving was "on par" with IPO, in terms of difficulty. 

I WILL CLARIFY WHAT I SAID, AGAIN, SINCE YOU CANNOT COMPREHEND WRITTEN, ENGLISH LANGUAGE,

DOCK DIVING HAS DONE A BETTER JOB THAN USA BASED IPO ORGANIZATIONS HAVE, IN REGARD TO CULTIVATING NEWBIES AND GROWING ITS STATUS, AS A HIGHLY VISIBLE SPORT, RECOGNIZED BY THE AKC AND UKC!

I will reqote myself, for OGBS and zdog, so they can't lie about what I posted or implied in my posts, any further:

Now, since you missed my point again. I wasnt taking about the difficulty of dock diving. I was pointing out the growth success it has had in a short period of time.  Dock diving is sponsored and televised (Wahl hair clippers sponsors a team!). Club are risking the investment of buying giant, expensive, portable, plastic pools. The AKC accepted it in a much shorter time frame than they did with IPO and its popular enough for the UKC to copy it.

If you actually think about it, people like yourself participating in "our sport" could learn quite a bit about how to GROW an oganization and sport from this dock diving example. To be blunt, they are doing it right and you are doing it wrong.


by zdog on 12 August 2014 - 19:08

Speaking on having comprehension difficulties, Take your rant and read it to yourself, lol. Your the queen of picking the most minute detail you can hang onto and arguing till everyone grows tired of you.

by Blitzen on 12 August 2014 - 19:08

Couldn't you be any cruder, Zdog?


by zdog on 12 August 2014 - 19:08

I could

by Blitzen on 12 August 2014 - 19:08

Zdog re-wrote his crude post so most won't see it now.


by zdog on 12 August 2014 - 19:08

Awwwwwww

momosgarage

by momosgarage on 12 August 2014 - 20:08

Your the queen of picking the most minute detail you can hang onto and arguing

Speaking on having comprehension difficulties, Take your rant and read it to yourself, lol.

@zdog, I added some missing commas for you.  Feel free re-read it, one more time, so as, to avoid any further unwelcome reinterpretations.  In the future, I highly recommend that you at least attempt to address the details as given.






 


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