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by joanro on 12 November 2014 - 19:11

Sargents is what I was talking about, not you, fawn. Pulling ticks off must be done whether one uses poisons or not...unless the ticks fall off within 24 hours, the dog can get sick, poison or no poison. There are some people reading, fawn, who perhaps may not be aware of this and may be lulled into believing their dogs are safe from such poisons and ticks.
Even when you realized that you had misspoken about using sargents, you still tell me I'm "criticizing" you and tell me "get a life" ? Who's actually being insulting?So if I had not spoken up, you would be recommending a product that you don't even use.

Jyl

by Jyl on 12 November 2014 - 20:11

Fawn

Not sure if there is a Petco near you.... but the one here where I live sells the Natural Defense.


fawndallas

by fawndallas on 12 November 2014 - 21:11

Oh, I do not use it for fleas.  You are correct, did no good.  But it does seem to work on ticks.  We do not live in a high infested area though.

Fleas are a challenge.   It takes 3 - 4 months of vegliance to fully get rid of them.   You have to treat everything, yard, bedding, floors, furniture.   I feel for you.

Agreed Joanro, I misspoke and was a grumpy b### needlessly.   Sorry.  Sargents is a crappy product.

 

 


by Nans gsd on 12 November 2014 - 21:11

So everyone, NO  ON SARGEANTS...  Now that I look back my friend bathed her girl with some sort of sargeants and the bitch ended up dying had a secondary infection BUT took her right down.  Scarey, so I see and understand what Joanro is saying, and I thank you for that.  I could see where someone could get desparate enough to try anything, my sammie girl's coat is just now growing out from her ripping it out when this flea infestitation started, now it is time for me to keep these guys protected but I have no protection for them that I can trust.  JHC. 

 

I have used Advantage in the past but one girl did have a reaction to it and months later got really sick with ??  Not real anxious to jump right in and try it again.  The essential oil I got did not work.  Although I like the stuff for other things.  Sooooooooo, back to square one.  Keep looking.?? 

 

Thx to all and I really appreciate being able to come on the forum and get very valuable information to keep these guys in optimum health.  I Thank you all,  Nan


by joanro on 12 November 2014 - 21:11

OK, fawn, we have bad day sometimes. :-)
Nan's, I use biospot if I need flea protection. I inadvertently brought fleas home from being on the road with my dogs. We used biospot on all the dogs, including my sled/performing dogs for about three months. That was about twenty years ago. We've never had fleas here since. Now, when I was taking dogs to club for sch, I used biospot on any dogs that went to club. Kept any fleas picked up at club from establishing here. I recommend biospot, it has IGR and will eliminate them from your property. Just keep ahead of the if you take your dogs to public dog places.

fawndallas

by fawndallas on 12 November 2014 - 22:11

There maybe an alternative.  Something that I did for Rose's puppies, as I could not give them anything and, of course Murphy's Law, Rose got fleas a week before whelping.

1.  Bath once a week for 8 weeks.   After each bath, take a nit comb (cheapest is the one you get at Pharmacy for lice) and comb out the dog completly.  After each comb, dip the comb in soapy water to get the fleas off and to smuther them.

2. Treat the living quarters 1 once a week.

>>>>   Either throw out the bedding or wash in vingar or Adams Flea dip (rinses out well in rinse cycle).

>>>>   If possible, leave dog on hard floor only, no carpet.  You can then vacume the floor daily.  I have heard that sprinkling salt down will kill fleas

3.  Spray every crack in the room with Hotshot for fleas.  Make sure no one goes in there until 100% dry.  If you limit it to just the cracks and just make sure the dog does not go in the room until dry, the chemical exposure is limited and might be better than one injested or put on skin

4.  Treat outside with Dematish Earth (I know spelling is not even close) at least once a week and after every rain storm.  Will need to do this the whole 8 weeks too.

This should get rid of most of the fleas. 

For the next 8 weeks, continue to treat the yard at least every 2 weeks and wash the bedding every 10 days.  You will need to watch the dog; 1st sign of a flea, back to bath and comb out.

Long term, continue to treat with DE.  DE can also be put directly on the dog.  

This method is a real pain and definitly much harder on a full grown dog rather than puppies.  Keep in mind that any animal may have fleas and deposit them around your yard. For me, I weighed the benefits over the chemical exposure and decided, as long as no one had a reaction, that Advantage Multi was my best long term option.   Going the all natural waydid not seem to last long and I had to repeat this at least twice a year.


by joanro on 12 November 2014 - 22:11

IGR is much more effective than de. Its not toxic and it can be used to treat the environment, house and yard. IGR will BREAK the life cycle of the fleas and eliminate them without hurting your dogs. DE is only effective if it physically touches every individual flea....virtually an impossibility in the environment or on a dog.





 


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