GSD orgs, a guide for the perplexed. - Page 5

Bundishep .. the FCI IPO dogs from Germany are majority Mals and the Mals rule the IPO FCI championships. I agree that within the GSD as a breed many dogs with unique tool sets abound and I welcome their recognition. I have a small female GSD ( 55 pounds ) who is very much better suited to agility raher than IPO. My small female GSD is much more like a Border Collie or Australian in her speed and agility. She was rated as "OK for a woman in IPO" by an IPO helper who saw her in action LOL!!! Sexism and male prejudice and favoritism still abound in IPO.

@  Susie :   I suppose my knowledge of the FCI must be rather out of date;  could

swear that the last time I looked at the FCI web pages they still concentrated on its

European influences.  Wasn't all that long ago, but I'll have another google after this.

When did FCI start using the "worldwide" definition as given on your German site link ?

 

That is a very impressive list of Latin American (Member ?) countries, too. 

But I cannot help asking: just how active are they, and how many people /

in what dog-related areas are being recorded ?

 

The FCI has never been any stunning example of how to publicise your activities and

involvements via the Internet (or as far as I could ever see, any other ways either !) -

that of course leaves plenty of room for other countries or organisations to place their

own interpretations in the public gaze.

I really don´t know how many of these member organizations really are "active", who knows?
The FCI is not very present in case of self-marketing. I think the organization is successful, because for most countries the thought of "country of origin" makes sense = a registration due to the original breed standard.

The FCI's own information always concentrated on its role as primarily involved

in Conformation Show Judging, and interpretation of Breed Standards,  more

than any involvement in other areas, like hundsport.    It is true that the FCIs last

re-writing of an 'international' breed Standard for the GSD was based on the

German Standard  and endorsed by the SV  (but quite how seriously that is taken

en actualite  inside Germany and inside the home Show Scene I do not know -

perhaps Susie could comment on how eg the Landsgruppen regard the FCI ?).

Certainly the UK  KC has not ceeded its own Breed Standard in favour of the FCI's

(although many of us think it might be better to do so), even though the said British

Kennel Clubs are currently agreeing an updated relationship agreement with the

FCI - but as far as I can tell that is still mainly about what Show Judges can and

cannot do when abroad at Shows in other FCI member nations.

I cannot comment on Bubs' assertion that FCI has always wanted to "marry" the

AKC; don't know what "always" means, for one thing.  LOL

I guess Bubba didn't hear that a GSD won the FCI IPO world championship a little over a week ago.

In "normal life" we don´t care too much about FCI over here, why should we? The German Shepherd dog club (SV) is responsible for the own breed standard, as are all the other breed clubs of origin world ( or FCI ) wide. In my opinion it´s important to respect the initial thought of a breed, no matter WHERE it was created. I don´t like it = I don´t own/breed it - but I don´t change the rules.
In case I think I´m able to do it better by changing the standard and the breeding rules of the country of origin, I should change the name of the breed ( with reference to most readers of this forum maybe into American Shepherd ) because at that point I´m going to change the breed.

Forgot to mention: FCI does affect us in case of trial rules (due to globalization and German law we gave up our own SchH trials, but IPO was made almost fitting to our rules ), we are the country with the most dog sport clubs and members worldwide, so we are involved in any changes, and up to now our voice is heard loudly. I hope this doesn´t change.

FCI does affect us in case of trial rules (due to globalization and German law we gave up our own SchH trials, but IPO was made almost fitting to our rules )

Its my understanding that's why the FCI allows for variances, Stick hits for example... Although, i am not sure how far an organization is allowed to go when it comes to bending or omitting the FCI rules?

Agreed, Susie; if you don't like how a breed is 'supposed to be' as
determined by its originating country (where that is known ! we GSD
people have that one taped !), get a different breed whose Standard
you do agree with.
Now, the UK thought it knew better and designed its own version of the
Standard, and although that has been modified over the decades, including
consultation with the breed clubs, the current FCI variety is closer to the
German original (which is really what the UK should have adopted in the
first place).
But that is the Standard for judging Shows to, it has little bearing on what
happens at Trials (of whichever sort) where most are not so concerned
about what the dog looks like or what shape it is or how it gaits in a
circle, as they are about what the dog can DO. So long as KCs in ANY
country are more concerned about the 'face' of whichever organisation
or breed clubs they champion and obtain income from than about the
whole GSD Breed coming together as originally developed and intended,
rather than being separated into 'working' and 'non-working' parts, we have
a difficulty whatever Standard we say we use.

Korung [or other countries equivalents] excepted, of course !

Keith - which organisation made the decision to call that the "world"
title ?
And which country did the GSD and its handler originate from ?