Raising 12 Day Old Puppies - Page 6

Hundmutter is correct when he says so who knows? No one knows for sure what happened and why the mother did what she did. Not your fault!

 

Thank you for the positive comments, Hundmutter and others.

These pups were FAT and thriving. Nothing wrong with them that I could see. Corgis generally have about 8 pups, so she had plenty of milk to spare. The only thing I can figure is it was due to the change of environment. It would have been better to have left her in the kennel, in the environment she was familiar with. But still, why would it happen when the pups were 10 and 12 days old, and not when they were newborn? The only thing that changed was I was putting her out with the other females, instead of on her own. Won't make that mistake again, thou

I am still just totally shocked that this happened when the pups were so big, and that she left behind barely a trace. The first time, just one bloodstain I could find, and the second time, only bloodstains (rather faint, at that) a few really tiny pieces of flesh about 1 mm x 1 mm, and a tiny tuft of fur.

And honestly I have seen some of the same people who were the most disturbed by this advocate directly/indirectly culling. Really?

SS, live and learn but this could have been caused by so many reasons. I personally wouldn't beat myself up over it. It happened and the next time it may happen when you think everything is perfect. It has happened to people who did pretty much everything right and people with tons of knowledge. So, I strongly dismiss some of those who complained the loudest. It happened, learn what you can and move on.

Agree with GSD, you will never know the reason this happened. Hope everything goes well now, updates and photos would be nice if you get the time Sunsilver.


Thanks to the members who didn't attack but offered helpful advice and reassurance as Sunsilver asked in her very first post and the reason she started this thread.

I don't cull, but understand how ALL breeds have been developed by doing so.
The difference between culling and a mother dog killing and eating her three week old pups is that
, in culling, the pups are not killed because of a traumatized dam.
in culling, the pups are not killed in the nest and devoured by the dam....in front of three week old pups. I wonder if the rest of the litter took part in cannibalizing the litter mates. If they did, the whole litter has been adversely affected, not just the dam.
In culling, the mother dog is likely going to be stressed, looking for her missing pups. But at least she would not be making a meal for her and the rest of the litter.
Ss took on a problem that the 'breeder' created. She did the right thing by putting the litter with the 'breeder'. What's done is done, hopefully the rest of the litter didn't get to eat their brothers or sisters and they will get to go to good homes.

So, this litter went from 12 days old to now 3 weeks old in the twist. The other pups weren't involved in this and yes it is much worse for a human with high intelligence to hold a pup under water or whatever until it quits struggling as opposed to POSSIBLY a stressed mom eating her young. At not even TWO WEEKS old these pups did not take part in this. Twist all you want but the facts are the facts and this could happen to even you Joan. The more I read your above post the more I shake my head and wonder just how you could possibly twist a mother dog killing her pups into something that is a kin to a human murdering a pup to try and justify culling. Unflippingbelievable.

Yep, they were 12 days olds, just checked that, but you post faster than I can hit 'edit' to correct my mistake after I noticed it, lol. 

No, in 31 years of breeding and whelping my own dogs and including whelping litters for others begining 50 years ago, I have never had this happen.

Twelve day old pups do have their eyes open and I have had pups that age eat with the mother dog, so its possible that they joined. But no one was witness, so that's why I said I Wonder if the pups joined in.

Yes, there is a big difference between a pup being euthanized by a vet, and a mother dog killing her 12 day old pups. Where did i 'try to justify culling' ? I said i 'understand why it was done while developing breeds'. But now that you mention it, if a pup was born with a cleft palate and hare lip, euthanizing is justifiable. So would euthanizing for any other life threatening deformities.
Again, I hope/the pups get good homes, because it's really all about the dogs, or at least it should be.
Ttyl.


 

Their eyes were not yet open, and they were still crawling rather than walking.

Not being familiar with the breed, I can't say if this is the norm.

That's promising, ss. At twelve weeks my pups, including my fox terriers, are walking almost at birth and eyes open by twelve days, tasting food.

The whole point is it COULD happen to you. It happens to people with more experience and knowledge than you have. The problem is most who cull don't take the dog to the vet. It isn't about being faster, it is about memory and not jumping to twist things to justify culling or whatever you decide you want to argue about. You could have let this go but your superior knowledge stopped you because you just needed to try and twist the justification of treating someone badly and the culling of pups. You and the others have NO right to treat others badly because you haven't walked in their shoes and lived their lives. Perfectly healthy pups have been culled for years but go ahead and twist it how you want to again justify your behavior to others. So, yes SS will accept your apology for slandering her on this site. You have claimed these 12 day old pups with no teeth cannibalized these pups, you are wrong and a big person would retract that statement and apologize.