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by susie on 19 February 2016 - 17:02
All of my dogs knew when I used to come home, my latest dog knew exactly when the ice cream truck used to arrive ( 5.30 p.m. ), all of them were able to hear the sound of my car before any human was able to hear it, and so on...
We are talking about DOGS, they are no humans, we shouldn´t treat them like humans, but like dogs.
Animals are not better than humans, and they are not worse - they are different, and the better the human owner is able to understand the natural behavior of dogs, the better will be the bond.
by Hundmutter on 19 February 2016 - 18:02
his research on this "dogs know when their owners are
coming home" thing, so there must be some more mileage
in it ? Personally I've always thought it pretty obvious that
they a) get conditioned on regular (ish) return times and/or
b) teach themselves to recognise the distinctive sounds made
by individual auto engines; but some think it shows more of
a sort of ESP / telepathic connection.
Notwithstanding animals (eg some cats do that too) abilities
and emotional well being, I can quite agree with SS about a
lot of owners setting up social problems for their dogs and
themselves because of the way they treat them, some of the
really disrespectful stuff like the regular everyday dressing up
of smaller dogs in clothing turns my stomach ! But I don't
think there's anything TOO wrong about calling yourself your
dog's "mom" [or "dad"], as long as it is lighthearted and you
still treat and train them as dogs. Well, with my Username I'd
have to say that, wouldn't I ?
by susie on 19 February 2016 - 18:02
Hund MUTTER - you really have to say it... 
I wondered for months how my latest male was able to know that my son would come at special days ( no order, no time frame ). After thinking about this for quite a while I recognized that at these days I cooked more than normally, and I tended to go to the grocery.
Out of curiosity I changed my behavior ( no grocery, no cooking ). My male was more than surprised when my son arrived... 
by susie on 19 February 2016 - 18:02
Forgot to say - I only changed my behavior once - no major differences between sons and ( male ) dogs...
by Sunsilver on 19 February 2016 - 18:02
During my riding days, we'd often refer to the owner of a particular horse as [horse's name] Mom, rather than by their human name...
Of course, with a beast the size of a horse, not many horse owners 'humanized' their horses...
by beetree on 19 February 2016 - 19:02
I heard only recently that (Rupert?) Sheldrake is continuing
his research on this "dogs know when their owners are
coming home" thing, so there must be some more mileage
in it ?~quote from Hundmutter, above
Hmmm, I am rather surprised you would think so!
Sheldrake's morphic resonance hypothesis posits that "memory is inherent in nature"[3][8] and that "natural systems, such as termite colonies, or pigeons, or orchid plants, or insulin molecules, inherit a collective memory from all previous things of their kind".[8] Sheldrake proposes that it is also responsible for "telepathy-type interconnections between organisms".[9] His advocacy of the idea encompasses paranormal subjects such as precognition, telepathy and the psychic staring effect[10][11] as well as unconventional explanations of standard subjects in biology such as development, inheritance, and memory.[12]
Morphic resonance is not accepted by the scientific community as a real phenomenon and Sheldrake's proposals relating to it have been characterized as pseudoscience.
by Centurian on 19 February 2016 - 20:02
Yes many studies have been done with animals and the like. But when i wrote my post I should have specifically included that the studies of the dogs were random and variable events . the owners had left different area and at different times but observers in the home could see the dogs anticipatory behavior of the dogs expecting the owners the same exact moment the owners departed for home. Not when the owners were on the way , but at the precise moment of departure from different places at different times of the day. That is to say , the scientists knew years ago that dogs do things like anticipate and form associations between events. We also know that they have a sense of timing of connected events and that they synchronize to sunlight / daylight. Seems to much to believe . I hard a hard time believing this. but test were repeated with the same results. So....
Another time, a skunk came into my yard. none of my dogs had seen another animal other than a cow , horse , cat and dog. faster than i could blink , even faster . from 12 feet away , three dogs spontaneously went after the skunk and formed an equidistant triangle encompassing the skunk . I downed them and the skunk fled. But the writing loses something in translation . Everything was instantaneous. They just knew what to do and how to do it in an instant. As humans , at best , our reaction time would have been 1 second and even longer to communicate to each other and to act. So , there is much we learn about canines . and we constantly underestimate their abilities , those understood and those we still have yet to learn .
by susie on 19 February 2016 - 21:02
by Hundmutter on 19 February 2016 - 21:02
findings just because I pass on info about them !
For my money, the jury is still out on Sheldrake's
suppositions; actually, I understood that he has
gone back & forth on them himself over the years
he's looked into this...
by Ibrahim on 19 February 2016 - 22:02
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