Intending to get a pup from this dog: Any view points? - Page 3

Hund I use a prong and it is connected to a flat by means of a connector. I also add a 6 strobe beacon because we go walking sometimes in the dark and in the forest; or the dark might meet us in the forest. What does this have to do with your sympathy?

That it's because you rely on the prong so she doesn't
pull you, is why SHE gets my sympathy. Like so many
American owners, your dogs have to put up with having
the muscles in their necks cramped, just because you
cannot ( can't be bothered to ?) train an everyday Heel /
Fuss properly. Don't bother telling me you 'never' pull
on that prong collar.

Hund- 'Like so many
American owners, your dogs have to put up with having
the muscles in their necks cramped, just because you
cannot ( can't be bothered to ?) train an everyday Heel / fuss properly.

So lack of proper training is an 'American' thing? You can't comment without making it about bashing Americans ... Land of the free and home of the slave?


'That it's because you rely on the prong so she doesn't
pull you.'

How are her neck muscles 'cramped' if she's Not pulling?

Mithuna, get the pup, train it, using a prong when appropriate. I like the pedigree, personally. Learn from your mistakes and teach the pup what behavior you will accept and disallow unwanted behavior.

I actually agree with Bubbaboo and Blackthorne among others on this. I think this breeding does have genetic ingredients to have good working stock, but I also think there will be a wide spectrum of GS working " type" in this breeding in drives and temperament. I also think you have to be careful of hips and elbows,( not an indictment but have some concern), and I really question if you are ready for the type of pup that potentially can come from this breeding based on questions you have posed to the forum in the past.......and I don't mean that derogatorily.

Prong collars are fine for PSA and while training in
hundesport, they are part of the toolkit for safe aggression,
IF & when you feel the need to use them. For taking your dog
for its daily walks ? Not so much.

Mithuna did say she "takes him for the walk". This is why I don't
trust him not to be yanking on that prong:
For some 15 months Mithuna has tried to give the impression
that he is some kind of knowledgeable dog handler. To the
extent that he has blown off a good deal of serious advice
during that time. I don't mean from me; but from really sensible
people (Koots, Hexe, even Joan !) At the beginning of that 15
months he just got his bitch, she was 3 months old, and she was
already hackling and snapping at people outside the home. About
the only thing in her favour (then) was that she was sleeping on
her own bed. That, he tells us, is no longer the case, she sleeps
on his. The picture that has built up does NOT give confidence in
his abilities to be walking round with a 'loaded gun' PP Dog. Better
yet, he wants to acquire a second.

BTW, Mithuna, found a vet willing to treat her yet ?

Hundmutter, I don't disagree with a lot of what you have to say.

But what is the issue with the prong? You do realize that there is a HUGE cultural difference and that whether someone uses a prong or not has just about zilch to do with their handling capabilities? How many really high caliber European working dogs have you handled? I don't doubt there are dogs who never need one, but to equate using one regularly with not being able to handle your dogs...well...that's off the mark.

FYI...call me lazy, but I have one leash and one prong that stays in my car and I put it on whoever happens to be riding with me, Pit Bull or GSD. It's just a collar. Has nothing to do with obedience. In fact, they're collarless unless we go somewhere they're required, hence keeping it in the car. The obedience is the real restraint; the collar and lead are just back-up. Keeping a prong on my leash does not mean I cannot train my dog to heel; of that, I assure you.

+1 for joan and jenni.

The point I am trying to make - no pun intended - is
that I would EXPECT someone to be relying on /
misusing a prong on an everyday basis if they had
shown and were continuing to show a lack of sense
about their dog's behaviour. Nothing Mithuna has
said has impressed on me that he has any clue what
he is doing with his bitch; he has clearly struck many
of you the same way - suggest you read back over
those posts where he keeps seeking opinions (even
though he has told us what he thinks of those opinions
vs. those expressed on some other site). Have a look
back through and just see what you all have been telling
him. Somehow posters don't want to see those critiscisms
and pieces of advice FOR THE SAKE OF THE DOG through
to their logical conclusions ? Only 'joining up the dots.'

Yes there is a cultural difference between the Brits and the
US on the wider use of prongs; but that is not what I was
majoring on. It only partly excuses what Mithuna is saying
- overall, & between the lines - about his relationship with
the female he already has; it isn't too great a stretch to feel
that if he now invests in another puppy, that will be TWO dogs
in the wrong hands. You really can take this 'freedom of the
individual to do what the hell they like' line a bit too far, y'know:
believe it or not despite the fact that I disagree with the sort
of training a lot of your countrymen rely on, I do care - particularly
in a city like NY - they shouldn't be exposed to unnecessary
levels of danger in getting bitten (just 'cos some folk think they
need to have a poorly controlled dog at their side on the off
chance someone will try to mug them). I have no real issue with
people who thus 'arm' themselves, IF THEY SOUND LIKE THEY
KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. Mithuna does not. I'd be just
as worried about someone carrying a sidearm around the city
when they hadn't had a day's shooting practice in their life or had
already been convicted of some gun related crime. No, as a UK
citizen, I don't find guns (or prongs) something I would personally
like to use. But given these things/methods are in daily use over
there, you surely don't want to censor me for caring about things
being 'done right' - or not done at all ?

My comment had nothing to do with Mithuna whatsoever and was based solely on your first paragraph of your last post, in which you said they aren't for daily walks.