I've found something inspiring in this mess of mudslinging - Page 5

Too bad no one can actually think of any thing good to say about having Hillary in charge based on her 30 years of public service.

I can think of a few things. Unlike Trump she hasn't talked about creating policies that will violate the first and fourth amendments. As far as the second amendment, guns, Trump has never shown himself to be fan and having Giuliani and Christie on his side doesn't help much as they are both Nazis when it comes to guns. Just look up NYC and NJ gun laws or how the NRA views them.

Getting back to women, I wonder if anyone can guess which poster referred to Megyn Kelly as a bitch from hell for having a heated argument with Newt Gingrich. Women need to know their place I suppose. That is the voter pool that Trump is fishing in.

For 'voter pool' read 'sewer' ?

Obsessing about Trump's encounters with women doesn't show any action verbs in defense of Hillary bright spots, during her 30 years of hard working in the public sector.

Trump did apologize about this video exposure and it has him forced into a resetting of his approach towards women and what not to do to interest them in consensual sex. It is sort of a waste that all the focus and energy of the presidential race is on that. The media is doing a fine job of that, already.

Talking about Bill Clinton Inc., that's fresh. Hillary's poll leads keep shrinking, but will she be able to ignore the Wikileaks long enough to run out the clock? I have heard her say the same speech about three times now, and each time it gets less believable and I am starting to cringe when she trots out Michele like a prized pet pony she got for her birthday present. I give credit to the Obamas for not welching and fulfilling their part in the promise when they made the deal for Hillary to wait her turn.

I really don't understand how so many Hillary voters accept being lead by a ring through their nose. I always hate the idea of my independence and choice being a smoke and mirror game by puppet masters.

But whatever the degree of trauma for the sufferer, that shouldn't ever be a 'measure' for determining how 'wrong' the adult male behaves. Men should just NOT abuse women and girls,
right ?

In a black and white world, it would seem the simple answer is: Yes, Men should NOT abuse women and girls, (and other men and boys for that matter). However, since human nature is what it is, there are degrees of harm by wrong actions and we will respond to them differently.

 

This idea can also be expanded to the idea of lying. Lying is wrong, and people should just not do that, too, right?

Funny how I don't mention Trump and his behavior or attitude when it comes to women in defense of Hillary but somehow it is "obsessing."

I mentioned Trump and the Constitution, our freedoms, and how he is no defender of it or them.

1st Amendment: Freedom of speech and the press. Trump has gone on record saying he wants libel laws changed to make it easier to sue the press. Hillary hasn't tried to restrict these freedoms.

4th Amendment: Illegal search and seizure. Trump has gone on record saying he would round up illegals. How you do that without infringing upon the rights of those who are here legally is not mentioned. Why? Because it's impossible to round up people who are guilty without infringing upon the innocent. I don't like the idea of the police having the right to demand to see my papers. Which brings us to stop and frisk. A policy which was judged to be unconstitutional yet Trump supports it and believes it worked wonderfully. Hillary does not support these unconstitutional policies.

2nd Amendment: The right to bear arms. Yes, Clinton is no hero to the gun lobby but neither are Trump and his cohorts Giuliani and Christie. The guy is from NYC, not Kentucky, he never served in the military and in fact avoided the draft, so the idea that he thinks people in NYC should be able to walk around openly carrying guns is absurd. He is perfectly fine with the strict gun laws in NYC. In 2012 he was behind Obama's proposals for gun control measures. That was 4 years ago. We are supposed to believe he flip flopped for any other reason than pandering? Clinton has never proposed getting rid of the 2nd Amendment.

Hillary has always been a supporter of women's rights. She has been an advocate for children's rights. She has supported healthcare. She worked, as a senator from NY, to get funding for recovery after 9/11. She supported improved health benefits for veterans. She fought against making same sex marriage illegal. Her career as a senator for NY is viewed favorably by most New Yorkers, including Trump. I guess none of this matters because, but, but Bill. That's the real obsession. Wikileaks? No one has yet pointed out anything that was illegal.

Trump apologized? I guess that makes everything OK. Talk about being part of the "my bad" generation. Did he apologize to the women he groped? Hmmmmmm......

Does Trump not tell enough lies for you then, Bee ?

@Hundmutter. You apparently have missed the point. {I am onto the "answering a question with a question" game, btw. :) }

Those are fairly generic accomplishments by Hillary in the time span of 30 years. I suppose if one gets impressed by layers of bureaucracy then one can't do much better than Hillary.

Nonetheless, the Wikileaks aren't exaclty flattering to Hillary when her own identity machine is left in the lurch. Makes it hard for them to do the proper pooper scooping after her messes. Not to mention how her inner circle also notices the sheer lack of natural instincts seen in a strong leader. Hillary can't make a decision without a committee— without her minions and mafia, she's lost in her maze of mirrors.

Wikileaks just might be the best predictor of what is to come.

Stuttering over Bill? Certainly the goal is to render him invisible but he will be having a visable role if Hillary makes it to the Oval office. Not too visable so as to overshadow her, that isn't the deal. It is just that it is well known that if he isn't kept busy he somehow manages to get himself into hot water. Hillary won't want that kind of distraction, no sirree! And then, what about those who are happy to be oblivious to the blurred lines of access and wealth building, who finds that amusing? Maybe we should all just be jealous because we didn't think of it first! Now that is funny! They are a team— remember, and it was insisted upon, right here, to judge Trump by the company he keeps, lol, and she's sharing his covers. Well, maybe not anymore, that might not be happening these days. Who knows. I don't want a visual of that, so I am going to blank out my mind now, and go put up some tomato chutney, or green tomato jam.

I might be inspired to do both, seeing I survived another week of Crossfit training.

Beetree:
1 I am not playing any "Answer a Question With A Question" game. I am sure I have said on here, at least once, that I think ALL politicians tell lies. While not denying that either of the Clintons is a politician, and therefore automatically a liar (!), I would point out that I agree with you that some lies (whoever tells them) seem more damaging than others.
Hillary's latest batch of e mails today, may I remind you, are under investigation; but they are not yet being claimed as criminal, any more than the last lot were.
Whereas, Trump has told lotsa lies (see for some examples that list of 170-odd reasons not to vote for him that Deanna posted) so if you feel as you say you do about lying ^^^, I want to know why you are still prepared to defend his campaign ?

2 Of course lying is always a bad thing. And of course there are varying degrees of lying - from "white lies" told to spare someone's feelings, through to the most enormous and dangerous ones anybody could think up, and all points in between. Although I would argue that the results and the effects on those lied to can be subjective, and can evoke different responses in different people. (Just as can rape and sexual assaults, come to that). For myself, I would rather always be honest, even where that is painful; but I could nevertheless not put hand on heart and say "I have never lied to anybody, ever". I doubt that anyone can. So, yes. Lying is wrong; people should not tell lies. But we know that some will, some more than others. Just as we know (I hope) that committing murder is wrong, and people should not murder. But the justice system and society at large recognise that it is impossible to stop it happening sometimes; and that there are some circumstances that may make some murder 'worse' than another murder, for lack of whatever mitigating reasons. Just because there are some instances of some people lying / committing rape / committing murder does not mean we can endorse them doing so, in any way, in advance. But Trump seems to think we - or at least you lot with the relevant vote - should be prepared to do so, (e.g. 'cos, after all, it was 'only' "locker room talk".)

Generic accomplishments? That ranks right up there with a Trump spokesperson saying "novelty tradition."

Let's see, Hillary fights for the rights of our fellow citizens including women, children, veterans, gays, etc., and Trump in the meantime opened some casinos, which eventually went bankrupt. I'll take the generic accomplishment over the utter failure.

And needing a committee to make a decision makes sense. A president has advisors and a cabinet for a reason. I'm sure Trump has attorneys and accountants to advise him.