Thoughts on KNPV PH1 Ody - Page 1

Thoughts on his behavior when the judge approached him? Definitely looks like nerve but considering the amount of pressure these dogs go through, maybe not too bad of a response from the dog? He was a little slow to recover, but did.

So thoughts, nerve issue or anticipating an a$$ whooping from his handler? :-)

 

Yes that is dog defintly on the run affraid from judge can,t take the pressure not a strong dog IMO

This is why its important testing a dog outside a standard training routine

This guy promoting this dog a lot before the National trials, and this is gonna happen
Many wellknown KNPV handlers don,t like this behaviour many discussions on social media .

After this not many breeding studs  for Ody
 

maybe this says something about how the dog was trained/corrected more than about the actual dog itself

Obviously guessing here, i don't think nerve problem, I think smart dog anticipating brutal electricity and or prong correction from past experience.

Had a few friends train in Holland now. The visitors were far from positive only trainers. They could not stomach the brutal pain based training methods they saw in Holland. The Dutch apparently go thru a lot of dogs to get one titled.

 

Friends thought it was more a reflection on ancient training methods than anything to do with the quality of the dogs.

 

a strong good dog stay in his grip and don,t go on the run..... IMO

For LE this kind of behaviour is useless

 

If that was true no dog would ever out. It has nothing to do with  strength. Its classical pain  response, intelligent animals learn.

I have seen strong dogs cower like scared puppies in obedience and retrieves because of trainers with poor skills frying dog too much etc.

 

Well I have seen this dog for real in training not from only a video, maybe this make something clear to you..

 

Watched it a couple of times. Now this is my take from one video so I could be wrong. The dog has no issue with his handler approaching and is even quite playful when he is heeled away from decoy. So I agree that it in this case it has to do with the judge approaching. Could be a very poor training experience or nerves or a combination of both. Looks like the judge surprised him and once he recovered he is ok with the judge standing near by. It's the dog's reaction after the out that I don't like. He checks out his surroundings in a very uncomfortable way. The thing I like the least about this dog is the showing of a lot of "white eye" during the whole process. My experience has been that confident dogs do not show a lot of white when on a bite.

JMHO

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Yes but in training  its not uncommon for the handler to not give a correction while the dog is on a double line and a nearby person deals out hard corrections.

The position in the vid and dog OK with handler suggest a double tie out and second handler for corrections may have been used.

I just can't believe a dog could have good enough nerve to get to this level then wig out in such a specific way.

Makes absolutely no sense, a nervy dog is a nervy dog at all times. This is not a nervy dog it is a scared dog due to a bad experience it has never forgotten.


....just guessing, interesting vid.

Like all of us "just guessing".

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