Working line GSD Vs Showline Gsd - Page 2

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by Movin64 on 17 October 2020 - 08:10

To all that think I’m crazy , It’s just a question I was asking and have read , I was just asking if any of you have had these bloodlines , And yes I have only had one in all 3 dogs I owned and they all been starlight back athletic GSd , this is not a baited question read this article

https://www.google.com/search?q=are+showline+GSD+legs+shorter+than+workingline+legs&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS680US680&oq=are+show&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i57j0i457j0l2.26970j0j4&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

by Movin64 on 17 October 2020 - 08:10


by Hired Dog on 17 October 2020 - 09:10

Oh boy, I just gleamed some of that article. OP, please, please, do not believe everything is true just because its on the internet. There is no one I know that would believe that someone breeds dogs with sort rear legs, on purpose, just for show.
I am not the expert in show lines or show dogs, Rik has done a lot of that and can explain it in much, much more detail then I ever could if I attempted. Please listen to those in here who have talked the talk, but, also, walked the walk, they have A LOT to say and you have A LOT to learn, pay attention to them.


by Movin64 on 17 October 2020 - 09:10

Hired I do listen and that’s why I’m asking , I think we all got a lot to learn including you as you stated your no expert and nether im I that’s why I was asking

by Hired Dog on 17 October 2020 - 09:10

Moving64, I will be the first to tell you that I know what I dont know, so, I stay in my lane when it comes to show dogs, they are not my area of expertise.

Rik

by Rik on 17 October 2020 - 09:10

movin, since you do seem to be serious, look at the pictures of the GSD. the front legs are a straight shot from the elbow to the ground, with the only angle being a slight one at the pastern.

the rear end to the ground involves several angles, joints and bones starting at the hip socket. (I'm not going to look them all up and count), the rear is designed to provide propulsion in moving forward.

so if measured through all the angles, there will most likely be a difference in length.
it has nothing to do with sl/wl other than the fact some dogs have more exagerated angles and different lengths of the bones.

don't know if that makes sense. also, I have never seen a study or had experience that HD was caused by these issues. and I've seen quite a few very extreme, loose dogs with good hips.

best,

Rik
 


by Movin64 on 17 October 2020 - 10:10

Hi Rik
Ok I get it  now , Let’s get past the shorter and longer  legs , As I get that’s not a true statement , I guess what I was asking in the post past this issue , Is if I’m looking for a family , Protection , tracking ect GSD , the working line Gsd is best Correct? I have not really ever owned a Showline Gsd , ones that squat in the back when they walk , also owned more of the a guess you could say the General GSd straight back , So I guess question is if I’m not planning to show the dog and want him for hiking , Fishing , tracking , Ect the working line is Best?


Rik

by Rik on 17 October 2020 - 10:10

every dog is different, no matter the line. there used to be a poster on here, Darryl, I think who tried to educate everyone on why they should only own WL. at the end of the day, his house got robbed and he said they carried all his stuff right past his dog, that never got off the couch.

it was high comedy. I have met s/l dogs that would protect, but keep in mind this is not usually the first priority in their breeding. also there are plenty of what is referred to as w/l that really don't do much better.

it really comes down to the breeder and the dog. I really don't recommend the s/l anymore to anyone wanting anything past a dog to show or be a companion. I know there are some out there, I just don't have the contacts.

Susie, who used to post here and lived in Germany, said many times there were serious s/l in Germany. but unless one has the contacts, we don't see them so much here in the U.S.

also keep in mind, just getting a w/l in no way insures it's a dog that will protect or work. if that were so, the brokers (to LE/Military) wouldn't have to work so hard finding them.

good luck,
Rik

GK1

by GK1 on 17 October 2020 - 10:10

Movin64 I have a ‘high energy big bone Cz WL GS’(jinopo), and smaller, lighter boned Malis from performance lines. In comparison the Malis are nearly square in structure, while the GS’s back end does seem to ‘slant’ a bit as you say.

All are healthy and exceptionally athletic. I observe movement whether they are sprinting, jumping, gripping or swimming. And I do test them across a variety of challenging exercises regularly. But does the Malinois have a structure more suitable for a lifetime of higher physical stressors and a natural resistance to orthopedic injuries due to the square, straight backed structure? I don’t know, but I think it depends on a variety of factors to include genetics and lifestyle, and less so on the 'slant'. So far my GS at 3 years is an incredible physical specimen.

There are a variety of GS types to choose from which would meet your requirements, to include an evaluated rescue.

by Hired Dog on 17 October 2020 - 11:10

OP, I have never owned a show dog, so I have no business talking about one, but, I have owned, trained and worked dogs for over 40 years, Malinois as well as GSDs and for me, I want certain criteria met, regardless of where the dog comes from. My 6 month old puppy is everything I asked my breeder for and more, so far.
I could take him hiking, camping, fishing, whatever and he would have no problems with any of it, but, that is genetic nerve strength.
Choose your breeder wisely, accept and understand that ALL puppies are a gamble, ask for what you want and see how honest they are in being able to provide it, I had to wait for months and months, even thought there were puppies available. Best of luck to you.





 


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