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by noddi on 16 September 2010 - 17:09
by delsasmum on 16 September 2010 - 19:09
Shirley
by bazza on 17 September 2010 - 07:09
by Annie on 17 September 2010 - 08:09
I wish Vets would not panic puppy purchasers as they do. It has happened to two of my pups years ago. The first one, the Vet advised Hip Replacement at 6 months of age without even x-raying the pup. He watched it walking and made the diagnosis!!! I persuaded the owners to have the dog x-rayed through the BVA/KC Scheme at a year old and the score came back a total of 5 (3:2) The second incident was an eleven month old male who the Vet advised that he should be put to sleep, his Hips were so bad. He did x-ray him and then made the recommendation. I again persuaded the Owner to go through the scheme and the score came back total 6 (3:3) Recently a friend had a call from a puppy purchaser that his Vet had diagnosed Hip Dysplasia in a 4 month old puppy. The Owner was distraught as he was taking his pup abroad and this was suddenly dropped on him. My friend was really upset but advised the puppy owner to take the pup to her Vet. The pup was x-rayed and the diagnosis was that the Vet had never seen such a good set of Hips in a pup. Pup has now gone abroad to live and new owner is happy at the outcome but livid with the first vet's diagnosis which caused massive upset to the whole family, not to mention the Breeder.
In my case I could have ended up giving purchase prices back on the first two cases. The first dog would have had a totally unneccessary Hip Replacement and the second dog would be dead. Both sires and dams would have been implicated in producing bad hips when it was just not the case.
On my Contract of sale I now state that I will not entertain any claim for Hip problems unless a BVA/KC score is produced. I have had no further problems (touch wood). I explain to my purchasers what has happened in the past (above) . I also believe that the German lines have growth stages where sometimes it appears that the dogs movement is not great, but usually by the time they are a year old everythuing seems to have come together and hence no problems.
It is dreadful that Balko has been 'Slagged off' in this way and I feel for his owners.
by kesyra on 17 September 2010 - 16:09
What a relief for all concerned, at least this case has a happy outcome.
How many pups out there are undergoing hip replacements or some other kind of invasive surgery, or even being put to sleep because of advice from these incompetent vets. I have even known this advice come from a specialist to one of my puppy owners and the dog scored 3:4. This pup was about to undergo surgery by an orthopaedic specialist at 18 weeks old, but thank heavens they listened to my advice and waited to have him scored.
I saw a 17 week old pup last week belonging to a distraught couple who happened to come across my website and asked me for advice. They had been advised to have the pup put to sleep (they couldn't afford the £5000 quoted by the vet), as the vet said his hips were so bad that he would be crippled by 12 months. She hadn't X-rayed the pup....she could tell by his cow hocks! Yes the pup is somewhat cow hocked and overangulated; but he is only 17 weeks old. Fortunately they are going to have the dog X-rayed by the vet I use for my X-rays when he is 6 months old.
I really think Marilyn should consider making a complaint to the Royal College. This scenario is happening with increasing regularity. Might it be worth the GSD league and the GSD Breed Council writing to the Royal College/BVA and bringing these cases of mis diagnosis to their attention?
I really think it is time something is done about this.....any thoughts Mo?
Katrina
by Jodie on 17 September 2010 - 17:09
by Sue Worley on 17 September 2010 - 21:09
by Prager on 17 September 2010 - 22:09
I'll make certain points for people who panic because their 5 mo old pup is "dysplastic".
1.Hips at 5 mo look bad because the calcification is not completed and and cartilage is not visible on x rays. Once just out of curiosity and for education of myself I have x rayed certain pup at 4 mo and then 6 , 8, 12, 24 month old ( same pup). The hips went from just about "none existent " to OFA good. Vet who is making assumptions on HD on a 5 mo old dog should go back to school or quit.
2. Dogs limp due to HD not because of HD but because of arthritis which starts to set around 3-4 years and is painful to a dog usually no sooner then 8 years. Thus if the dog limps in 5 mo it is not because of bad hips NEVER!!!! (At that age) Often the 8 years old or older dogs have problem with the spine and not hips. Something else to pay attention to.
3. Usually the reason dog limps at early age is : a) Panosteitis (Pano) Usually self limiting condition caused by so called "optimal" "balanced " diet.
b) torn ligaments or muscles.
c) Bone fracture.
d) Infection (like coccidioidomycosis, or other.)
4. for nutrition feed meat, meat, meat and then meat. Granulated dog food on scale from 1-10 is at best 5. Meat is
10. At least supplement the dog by meat and gristle. Dog should get some fillers too I use pasta and raw vegetables and some sea salt and maybe fish oil or fish meat.
5. Sunshine vitamin = "D"
6. Moderate continuous exercises through out the day.
7. Pup from earliest age and the mother from pregnancy should be lean. Different hormones are produced in fat and skinny dog. That has an influence on the hips and other bone structure of the pup-dog FOR HIS REMAINING LIFE!.
8. HD is unfortunate but it is not a death warrant for such dog. To the mind come Samson a dog which I have known in Wyoming. Somebody should back then convince Samson that he should be crippled since he was severally dysplastic. Instead he was running up and down the mountain in deep snow all day long as a S&R dog.
If you want to know more and before you panic about 5 mo old "dysplastic" dog e mail me or call me and/or get this book and read it!:
http://www.alpinek9.com/CanineDysplasiaFredLanting.html
Prager Hans
by noddi on 18 September 2010 - 07:09
by Lennard on 18 September 2010 - 08:09
So a new thread explaining outcome needs to be started IMO
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