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by kazz on 07 May 2010 - 21:05
they have gone on to our dog forum now trying to convert doggie people to their way of breeding 
by Dingodog on 07 May 2010 - 21:05
Yes Bazza
I've seen your comments....but anyway. The original thread has diverged into colour. My comments were not that the SV changed to suit 1 blue dog (I think it may have been the AKC anyway), but that they, and any other KC can and do change the standard. Reasons are a different matter, my point was they can and do.
The conformation I have been noticing in long coats, and in off colours has been consistently improving, and I think it is shortsighted to dismiss them out of hand as everyone seems to, except perhaps Mr Willis. I think I would definitely bow to his superior knowledge on genetics et al.
I've seen your comments....but anyway. The original thread has diverged into colour. My comments were not that the SV changed to suit 1 blue dog (I think it may have been the AKC anyway), but that they, and any other KC can and do change the standard. Reasons are a different matter, my point was they can and do.
The conformation I have been noticing in long coats, and in off colours has been consistently improving, and I think it is shortsighted to dismiss them out of hand as everyone seems to, except perhaps Mr Willis. I think I would definitely bow to his superior knowledge on genetics et al.
by dingaling on 07 May 2010 - 21:05
Oh dear,i obviously seem to hit a nerve and my post was deleted about the liver girl Hope now in whelp with shot hips,no flaming excuses Pat,its disgusting,but then dont you worry will you,its not you that will have to deal with the HD in the poor pups is it ?!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Wildmoor on 07 May 2010 - 22:05
Saratoga
If you are male like you are professing to be then you can only be one person and they already have a user name on this board so either you are not male or on the other forum you pretend to be female.
Not sure who you mean by June?
Maggie
It was you who brought your dog into the subject on the other board, along with copying and pasting various different genetic conditions and blaming them all on the European GSDs.
Uberland the vast majority of GSDs in rescues in the UK are non standard whether that be coat colour or general conformation, take a look for your self
www.germanshepherdrescue.co.uk/german-shepherd-dogs-nw.html
vigilgsdrescue.org.uk/dogs
www.german-shepherd-rescue-scotland.org.uk/dogs_in_need.php#
www.germanshepherdrescue.co.uk/german-shepherd-dogs-central.html
www.garbosgermanshepherddogrescue.co.uk/dogs.htm
The only ones you see in my area of the country walking free without owners again are non standard and often poor specimens
If you are male like you are professing to be then you can only be one person and they already have a user name on this board so either you are not male or on the other forum you pretend to be female.
Not sure who you mean by June?
Maggie
It was you who brought your dog into the subject on the other board, along with copying and pasting various different genetic conditions and blaming them all on the European GSDs.
Uberland the vast majority of GSDs in rescues in the UK are non standard whether that be coat colour or general conformation, take a look for your self
www.germanshepherdrescue.co.uk/german-shepherd-dogs-nw.html
vigilgsdrescue.org.uk/dogs
www.german-shepherd-rescue-scotland.org.uk/dogs_in_need.php#
www.germanshepherdrescue.co.uk/german-shepherd-dogs-central.html
www.garbosgermanshepherddogrescue.co.uk/dogs.htm
The only ones you see in my area of the country walking free without owners again are non standard and often poor specimens
by Uber Land on 07 May 2010 - 22:05
of all the rescue's I saw just 1 blue, no livers, but plenty of whites.
So I don't really see that many non standard colors in your rescue or shelters. In the UK, is the white still reg. as a gsd? or is it now the white swiss shepherd. UK has always had alot of whites.
the blue dog I posted about was in america, not UK, or SV reg.
So I don't really see that many non standard colors in your rescue or shelters. In the UK, is the white still reg. as a gsd? or is it now the white swiss shepherd. UK has always had alot of whites.
the blue dog I posted about was in america, not UK, or SV reg.
by Wildmoor on 07 May 2010 - 22:05
I said non standard GSD ie coat, colour, conformation ( no show line no working dogs), another one that cannot read, we do not have white swiss shepherds, the UK KC will register any colour even though not standard even champagne!
The list is not exhaustive and if a solid blue or liver turned up in a general rescue it would be advertised as a cross.
The list is not exhaustive and if a solid blue or liver turned up in a general rescue it would be advertised as a cross.
by Pridhams on 07 May 2010 - 23:05
Wildmoor - I have to applaud your nerve, if nothing else!
It was YOU who stated that you "abhor those that deliberately breed for dilutes...." "to deliberately breed them with the known health problems in the ancestors and double sometimes treble up on these is not for the good of the breed"
As I told you on forum, you cannot blame the breeders of dilutes for the problems that beset the GSD when some of those who have bred for (breed standard) are in some cases the very ones who have perpetuated genetic diseases in the breed.
If you think I am going to sit idly by while I read your bombastic, hypocritical and bigoted fascist opinions, then you are wrong.
I have always advocated that good and honest breeding policies using available genetic screening and health testing of breeding stock to be paramount. I also understand that to fix desireable traits in good stock it is sometimes necessary to 'breed close and cull hard.'
Of course I am going to defend my dilute. There is nothing wrong with him. Unlike the over angulated dog you have at home with your Chodskys.
It was YOU who stated that you "abhor those that deliberately breed for dilutes...." "to deliberately breed them with the known health problems in the ancestors and double sometimes treble up on these is not for the good of the breed"
As I told you on forum, you cannot blame the breeders of dilutes for the problems that beset the GSD when some of those who have bred for (breed standard) are in some cases the very ones who have perpetuated genetic diseases in the breed.
If you think I am going to sit idly by while I read your bombastic, hypocritical and bigoted fascist opinions, then you are wrong.
I have always advocated that good and honest breeding policies using available genetic screening and health testing of breeding stock to be paramount. I also understand that to fix desireable traits in good stock it is sometimes necessary to 'breed close and cull hard.'
Of course I am going to defend my dilute. There is nothing wrong with him. Unlike the over angulated dog you have at home with your Chodskys.
by Pridhams on 07 May 2010 - 23:05
Oh, and before I forget. The person to whom "dingaling" refers is not on forum to defend herself, so please have the courtesy to refrain from making licentious and contentious remarks.
by Wildmoor on 07 May 2010 - 23:05
You can call me fascist all you like I am actually Conservative!
So what I did state that it is nothing new and isn't the first time I stated that just look at the sire to the litter Dingaling mentions that is the litter mate to Kooga the one Flyhart re-homed/retired due to having epilepsy in the lines.
Why mention the Chodsky dog this is a GSD forum? just trying to stir trouble it is not a GSD and neither does it purport to be wrong Breed Standard lol. It certainly isnt a breed your mate would want not enough puppies in a litter to make money from lol that will keep them away, although if I heard they were going to import from some one I know then I would inform the Breed Klub and breeder not to sell or give export ped to.
At least my GSD looks like one not a blue collie look a like, nor does it have epilepsy in the lines,conditions you pasted on the other board I would look a bit closer to home if I was you, thought you would have learnt better after purchasing your previous dog. Also at least he has perfect hips not none.
As you are aware from discussion we have previously had I do not agree with your opinions and if you hadnt posted the picture of your dog and brought into the discusion then I wouldnt have responded accordingly.
So what I did state that it is nothing new and isn't the first time I stated that just look at the sire to the litter Dingaling mentions that is the litter mate to Kooga the one Flyhart re-homed/retired due to having epilepsy in the lines.
Why mention the Chodsky dog this is a GSD forum? just trying to stir trouble it is not a GSD and neither does it purport to be wrong Breed Standard lol. It certainly isnt a breed your mate would want not enough puppies in a litter to make money from lol that will keep them away, although if I heard they were going to import from some one I know then I would inform the Breed Klub and breeder not to sell or give export ped to.
At least my GSD looks like one not a blue collie look a like, nor does it have epilepsy in the lines,conditions you pasted on the other board I would look a bit closer to home if I was you, thought you would have learnt better after purchasing your previous dog. Also at least he has perfect hips not none.
As you are aware from discussion we have previously had I do not agree with your opinions and if you hadnt posted the picture of your dog and brought into the discusion then I wouldnt have responded accordingly.
by Pridhams on 08 May 2010 - 00:05
I can barely make out the meaning in your text, Wildmoor.
Unfortunately you appear to have lost the concepts of grammar and sentence construction, but I can just about make out what a vituperous, spiteful and nasty piece of work you are.
How sad that you have nothing in your life other than to try to diminish others in order to jolly yourself along.
Have (another) drink, Wildmoor, swallow your bullshit along with it, take your sleeping pills and get yourself off to bed.
Maybe you'll feel better in the morning.
Then you might want to reflect a little on how attempting to make the world an uncomfortable place for others who don't share your ideals has resulted in you turning into a miserable, lonely old bitch.
Unfortunately you appear to have lost the concepts of grammar and sentence construction, but I can just about make out what a vituperous, spiteful and nasty piece of work you are.
How sad that you have nothing in your life other than to try to diminish others in order to jolly yourself along.
Have (another) drink, Wildmoor, swallow your bullshit along with it, take your sleeping pills and get yourself off to bed.
Maybe you'll feel better in the morning.
Then you might want to reflect a little on how attempting to make the world an uncomfortable place for others who don't share your ideals has resulted in you turning into a miserable, lonely old bitch.
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