Should SV do away with Schutzhund and replace it with PSA? - Page 2

I didn't realise there was a competition.

Who cares ?  If you like Malis, fine, they are the breed for you;
Shepherdites will always prefer GSDs.


Including, no doubt, LEOs, if they have the choice.

Let's be honest about it, PSA is an outlet for all of those trainers who are not good at or cannot get a dog to track at a competition level. Many find tracking tedious and boring and simply are not proficient at this phase. PSA has it's foundation and roots based upon schutzhund protection with various modifications. Schutzhund tests all three phases of a working dog no matter how easy or watered down you may think it is. You track a dog at a competition level in 90 degree temps and see what drive and training it takes to be successful and then tell me PSA is an adequate test of true working ability. PSA is a sport for non trackers period!!! No offense meant to anyone who competes in PSA.:-)

i would perfer psa mainly because Schh is the same stuff over and over again. but that dosent mean i still dont regularly track my dogs or enjoy tracking... i do SAR with my dogs and track every morning......

Tracking for fun and tracking for top points is entirely two different animals. The stress and demands of precision on the dog through training many times effects the dog in the other phases. This is what PSA misses in testing the total package. I don't do PSA but train with friends who do and have no problem with that but the thread started as should PSA replace Schutzhund and I say NOT A CHANCE!!! Just my opinion.

Please tell me what the difference is between schutzhund and IPO  ?

thanks

lyn

There is a reason that the majority of tracking scores above the club level  are always the highest of the three disciplines and often are 98,99,and 100.  A lab or Cocker can score a 100 in SCH Tracking. Most dogs can be trained to do competition sch tracking, because it is not as much about the dogs natural ability as it is a patterned routine on nonvariable surfaces. It is about training and precision and hard work BY the trainer.....it really doesn't show breed worthiness. Now I am NOT saying PSA  should be in place of SCH, but lets not get it twisted....SCH is a showcase for training ability, and this has allowed SOOOO many marginal dogs to be titled and thus bred, thus watering down the breed or creating unbalanced drives or traits. Jmo

I actually  see more dutchies then Mali,s in police work and i still see more GSD,s Then either! AS for the Mali being the premier dog I think not! I would venture to say there are no priemer dogs they all come with there bag of issues and all are different dogs. Mali,s are Mali,s and GSD,s are GSD,s there 2 different dogs with 2 different values.

Get involved at all levels from Local sport club to World events. I know of great dogs out there without good trainers to manage their course in the breed world. When you see a great dog without titles go breed to his father  [buy that dog and get it into the sport for his/her's peer review]. . Breeding to titles is unsophisticated. I have not seen pure PSA lines. I  would guess they are out there but too few generations to account for as a breeding  program. Plug into the established club[s], do not drink only the ''Kool Aid'' but get involved to find the MEAT. It is there.