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by Jeff Oehlsen on 18 March 2010 - 07:03
Tigermouse,
So you admit to not having the best pedigree in your foundation bitch, and that you don't work dogs, yet claim that the stud is the best working dog you have ever seen.
So you took a crapshoot bitch, with crapshoot experience, to a crapshoot dog to get the ultimate in crapshoot puppies. LOL
I remember you calling me a troll. Well here is a little payback, you are a trash breeder. HA HA
You can repeat what you have read all you want, but it doesn't give you the experience to be a breeder. I read that somewhere. LOL
So you admit to not having the best pedigree in your foundation bitch, and that you don't work dogs, yet claim that the stud is the best working dog you have ever seen.
So you took a crapshoot bitch, with crapshoot experience, to a crapshoot dog to get the ultimate in crapshoot puppies. LOL
I remember you calling me a troll. Well here is a little payback, you are a trash breeder. HA HA
You can repeat what you have read all you want, but it doesn't give you the experience to be a breeder. I read that somewhere. LOL
by diesel on 18 March 2010 - 10:03
First things first, I genuinely wasn't singling any individual out for criticism! All of us who breed with a conscience try to breed the best we possibly can and do right by puppies we produce!
My point is simply this; breeders throw around terms such as "world class" far too readily when decsribing what their puppies "should be". The fact is the percentage of TRULY "world class" dogs is miniscule and no one has the right to use terms like that whilst they are not showing their dogs on either a public stage or indeed WORLD stage!
Couple of examples: 8 years ago I qualified my dog Q for the WUSV World Championships in a year when ONLY 3 other dogs managed to meet the selection criteria, I chose not to take up my place on the team because the WUSV clashed with the birth of my eldest son. Now this was a VERY good dog, but "world class" absolutely NOT. In 2005 I purchased a dog in Belgium and together we went on to represent GB 5 times over 3 years at world championship level, setting several records for British dogs along the way. Was Asko "world class"? POSSIBLY but not a view shared by everyone. The point is we can't even begin to call dogs "world class" until they are seen amongst the best in THE WORLD - and please read my earlier post I don't just mean in VPG/IPO!
Jonah 1; until you have the courage to back up your accusations with evidence, I'll choose to ignore your ridiculous rants.
Tigermouse; I assume you are referring to Neck in your post? I've visited Neck and worked him several months ago and indeed would reccommend him for breeding - he's a very very good dog. I chose not to use him purely because I already have a male with very similar lines and Neck is no better either in character, conformation or work than the dog I already have.
I would ask you, however, how many dogs did you view before you chose him? You say he's 2nd to none in working ability, are you sure? Neck's bloodlines are not rare in the UK and believe me their are some equally good if not better dogs of similar breeding in the UK! Are you also genuinely saying your pups are the equivalent to F1 cars?
I applaud your motives in breeding the best you possibly can and I wish you well with your pups, all I'm saying is we ALL need to take a little more care in the way we describe our dogs and our puppies.....oh yeah and I honeslty believe anything over £600 for an 8 week old puppy that has nothing BUT potential is exhorbitant!
My point is simply this; breeders throw around terms such as "world class" far too readily when decsribing what their puppies "should be". The fact is the percentage of TRULY "world class" dogs is miniscule and no one has the right to use terms like that whilst they are not showing their dogs on either a public stage or indeed WORLD stage!
Couple of examples: 8 years ago I qualified my dog Q for the WUSV World Championships in a year when ONLY 3 other dogs managed to meet the selection criteria, I chose not to take up my place on the team because the WUSV clashed with the birth of my eldest son. Now this was a VERY good dog, but "world class" absolutely NOT. In 2005 I purchased a dog in Belgium and together we went on to represent GB 5 times over 3 years at world championship level, setting several records for British dogs along the way. Was Asko "world class"? POSSIBLY but not a view shared by everyone. The point is we can't even begin to call dogs "world class" until they are seen amongst the best in THE WORLD - and please read my earlier post I don't just mean in VPG/IPO!
Jonah 1; until you have the courage to back up your accusations with evidence, I'll choose to ignore your ridiculous rants.
Tigermouse; I assume you are referring to Neck in your post? I've visited Neck and worked him several months ago and indeed would reccommend him for breeding - he's a very very good dog. I chose not to use him purely because I already have a male with very similar lines and Neck is no better either in character, conformation or work than the dog I already have.
I would ask you, however, how many dogs did you view before you chose him? You say he's 2nd to none in working ability, are you sure? Neck's bloodlines are not rare in the UK and believe me their are some equally good if not better dogs of similar breeding in the UK! Are you also genuinely saying your pups are the equivalent to F1 cars?
I applaud your motives in breeding the best you possibly can and I wish you well with your pups, all I'm saying is we ALL need to take a little more care in the way we describe our dogs and our puppies.....oh yeah and I honeslty believe anything over £600 for an 8 week old puppy that has nothing BUT potential is exhorbitant!
by Jonah1 on 18 March 2010 - 11:03
JEFF OEHLSEN YA OBVIOUSLY ANOTHA JERK (TROLL) THAT DONT GET THER FACTS RIGHT BEFOR SPOUTIN YER TRASH ----- HA HA , YA JUS PROVED YA KNOW NOTHING AN DEFFO NOT DONE YA RESEARCH OR YA WULDNA BE WRITIN THAT SHITE !!!!!!!!!!!.
by Jonah1 on 18 March 2010 - 11:03
DIESEL . TOM NYE ----- I JUS TOOK IT UPON MYSELF TA PHONE THA OWNER OF NECK TA GET MA FACTS RIGHT BEFOR POSTIN THIS.
YA SAY YA WORKED THA DOG ------- THA OWNA JUS TOLD ME THA DOG WER NOT WORKED DUE TA YERSELF BEIN DELAYED IN GETTIN THERE, AN WEN YA DID GET THERE IT WER TOO DARK TA GO ON THA FIELD AN THA RAIN WOS AMMERIN DOWN SO THA DOG WER ONLY SEEN BY YER VAN HEADLITES IN THA AMMERING RAIN ON THA LEAD ON A DRIVEWAY !----- IN ALL YA AD FEW MINUTES PLAYIN BALL AN A SHORT BITE -------- I WULDNA SAY THAT WER WORKING THA DOG AYE !!!!!!!!.
THA OWNA SAID -- QUOTE > THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE COULD GIVE A FAIR OR HONEST OPINION OF THE DOG THAT NIGHT ! < UNQUOTE.
I AV MADE AN APPOINTMENT TA SEE THA DOG MASELF NEXT WEEK !!!!!!!!!.
by tigermouse on 18 March 2010 - 20:03
You got Jeff in one Jonah... lol
At no point have I said that I don't work my dogs??? I don't compete as I don't have the time, but I do work them
If that makes me a bad breeder in your eyes fine.
My foundation bitch is Tyguard britta( http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/540970.html )
as for you comment about my admission about her pedigree I am very critical of my own dogs
Its a pity other breeders arnt the same,
Her pedigree is as good as most advertised on here but as with everything there is room for improvement.
As for crap shoot I don't use crap shoot dogs.
I have been here before with you Jeff and to be honest I cant be arsed with you. so off you trot and take your meds .
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Tom,
I agree with you about the descriptions used by some breeders when it is NOT the truth,
but what the people you are targeting have written IS the truth.
They have not said world class puppies. they have said world class BLOODLINES, which they are.
You can hardly state you "worked" Neck,
I heard the same as Jonah the weather conditions were bad and it was dark. so a decent work out wasn't possible
If you look at Necks pedigree you will see that it is consistent on both sides,
and that the breeders have taken the time and trouble to title and show, even furthering their dedication by returning to do a second Koerung - Leibenzeit which is far superior to the breed survey in the UK, which is only slightly better than a kc good citizen test.
Overall its a beautifully put together and well thought out pedigree.
This might not be important to you, but it is to me and my breeding program.
I'm sure I am not alone in my requirements
I look at the pedigree first and if I don't like the look of the pedigree what is the point of viewing the dog??
Both Neck and his parents are V rated and that is important to me,
and is part of the whole package that I look for in a stud dog... but I don't often find ,
I believe that correct and sound conformation is important as well as working ability,
but most important of all is temperament and character, neck possesses all of the above attributes
I have waited a long time for this litter and I think he will compliment my bitch nicely.
I don't even know if my bitch is in whelp yet.
I have a huge issue with some of the working dogs in the UK, they are to sharp and unstable to be able to placed in family homes.
As you should know tom there is a big difference between high drives and manic hyperactivity which some working breeder/owners find hard to distinguish between.
As I stated before there just arnt enough good working homes.
Also the problem with the working people is that to much emphasis is put on to working ability and drives whilst conformation health, and other traits are pushed to one side.
People seem to think that to have both is not possible, I BEG TO DIFFER!!!
The German shepherd dog should NOT be manic or hyper it should be well balanced and a good all rounder able to be placed in family homes, agility, obedience, sch etc. right through to competition homes
Is it any wonder that genuine enthusiastic newcomers don't stay very long especially when the nastiness extends to the breeders of good litters receiving intimidating phone calls as has happened recently.....
I WILL NOT BE INTIMIDATED OR PUSHED OUT OF THIS BREED AND NEITHER SHOULD THEY.
Regards,
Tracie.
by bazza on 18 March 2010 - 20:03
Diesel/ Tom, I believe you did have an agenda coming here. Nobody is really interested in your comparisons of your dogs to another, nothing like blowing your own trumpet. What's wrong were you and your dogs not getting the attention you want? It's so sad when ones ego gets in the way brings out undesirable traits like vanity, envy, and down right nasty dirty tricks. Where has Tracie or the owner of her chosen stud said the dog breeding is RARE? Where have either said there is none as good or better? I'll tell you..... NOWHERE, these are your words born out of envy of a super WORLD CLASS dog that i suspect might be getting more stud interest than your own. How many dogs Tracie looked at is basically her business, and i would think anyone who has seen her choice of stud in the flesh, and how he works would be in awe of such an outstanding complete package GSD. Tracie's female has produced some super puppies to date and i suspect this next litter will be of similar quality. Maybe if you stop putting your ego and self interest before the breed you could also. You my friend are nothing more than a bully in the truest sense!!! Made any calls lately???? Hope not!!!!!
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