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by Videx on 20 April 2010 - 22:04
Typical codgewallop from Mackenzie, supported by professional pest Dingodog.
Several inaccuracies and assumptions, some ridiculous assertions, mixed with a dollop of ignorance and a generous sprinkling of bigotry, not forgetting a smattering of arrogance and Hey Presto! We have a load of rubbish!
Several inaccuracies and assumptions, some ridiculous assertions, mixed with a dollop of ignorance and a generous sprinkling of bigotry, not forgetting a smattering of arrogance and Hey Presto! We have a load of rubbish!
by Sue B on 20 April 2010 - 23:04
On the move, sent to me this week, taken in Germany last weekend, a photo which delights me completely, though according to what he has just written not it seems to the delight of Mackenzie.
by Videx on 21 April 2010 - 09:04
A superb photo! - fills the eye - it is sites like this that makes it so enjoyable to attend GSD breed shows where the Kennel Club have no presence. Could you ever imagine seeing such movement at any General Championship Show, especially at Crufts?
by Sue B on 21 April 2010 - 13:04
Thank you David, they say a picture paints a thousand words, guess this one and your few words has shut them up eh? lol
Regards
Sue
Regards
Sue
by Mackenzie on 21 April 2010 - 14:04
I am sorry Member but I do not agree that my remarks should be disregarded. I may have quoted the wrong female but it was the right litter. The point is and, you agree that unsoundness was present and, that is a different matter to that of hips. I would agree that the female was well constructed and had a spectacular side gait at high speed, however, the subject of this topic is soundness, but had she moved at a more correct speed her unsoundness would have been exacerbated. As for her hip grade being low I assume that it was low enough for her to be considered suitable to be bred from, however, that in itself does not excuse her, or, any other animal being so unsound. This is a working breed. therefore, soundness is important in making the dog fit for purpose.
Both yourself and SueB are judges and her post seems to agree with what you have said, therefore, if you accept that soundness does not matter why are you both allowed to judge the breed?
Mackenzie
Both yourself and SueB are judges and her post seems to agree with what you have said, therefore, if you accept that soundness does not matter why are you both allowed to judge the breed?
Mackenzie
by Alyson R on 21 April 2010 - 14:04
A question which I think has not yet been addressed on this subject - what are the causes of unsoundness? If we do not know what causes unsoundness how can we eliminate it. And are there varying degrees of unsoundness - or is it black and white - unsound or not unsound? Can we have slightly unsound?
Very interested to hear replies - have spoken to several German judges and breeders and their answers varied quite significantly.
Very interested to hear replies - have spoken to several German judges and breeders and their answers varied quite significantly.
by Mackenzie on 21 April 2010 - 15:04
Nice to see that you have returned to the PDB David albeit with the useless drivel that you usually come up with. Why do you not make a usefull contribution to this thread?
The photo posted is indeed spectacular but it is not an working pace.
Mackenzie
The photo posted is indeed spectacular but it is not an working pace.
Mackenzie
by missbeeb on 21 April 2010 - 15:04
Mackenzie, why do you do this with such monotonous regularity? Who has said that they think soundness does not matter? NOBODY!
It may not be a working pace, but that does not make it wrong... just faster, yet you make it sound as though it is wrong. What the Hell's wrong with you?
I think you're a spiteful piece of work that harbours little grudges, Mackenzie. Please reconsider your return!
by Sue B on 21 April 2010 - 16:04
Mackenzie,
Even off the lead this female looks like this, when moving with purpose towards her goal !! Even if that goal was in getting to the sheep in the field for the purpose of rounding them up !!. The standard says should have a ground covering (or as some is translated into saying 'Ground eating') gait. I have had many photo's over the years of Shepherds gaiting free in the field showing a similar side gait. Have you not yet realised that how quickly a dog moves its legs is not necessarily what makes it look fast, sometimes it just looks to be moving fast because its 'Far reaching stride' (another standard requirement), just so happens to eat up (cover) more ground than the dog behind who is making lots of forward movements which are not taking it very far (in other words does not possess a ground covering gait). Some dogs, failing in front angle or shoulder placement, are restricted in their front reach, some lift their front legs upwards in a hackney motion rather than thrust them forward, hence in the movement phase the far reaching dog with the ground covering gait will make both these other moving types looks like they are standing still. Again, that doesnt mean the dog (as shown above) is moving faster than the other, just that it is moving further away from the others with each stride. Indeed I have seen some dogs with legs moving hell for leather not being able to move away from a dog just loping along with his/her far reaching , economical stride.
For you education Mackenzie, that is what is meant by an economical stride, i.e the ability to cover the greatest distance with the least effort. It is also where the term 'Effortless, far reaching gait' came from. Now for your opinion as to whether I should be judging or not, actually I dont give a toss about your opinion and its all a bit irrelevant in any case, since I have proved my knowledge, experience and ability in GSD's, in my breeding, exhibiting and judging it over 30+yrs, what about you Mackenzie, wheres your proof? What precisely have you done to make the breed proud??
While your thinking about that, perhaps you should pay attention to what Missbeeb has said above quote "Who has said that they think soundness does not matter? NOBODY! " and have the decency to refrain from putting your words into other peoples mouths, as John , myself and most certainly David Payne are quite capable of speaking for ourselves.
Regards
Sue b
Even off the lead this female looks like this, when moving with purpose towards her goal !! Even if that goal was in getting to the sheep in the field for the purpose of rounding them up !!. The standard says should have a ground covering (or as some is translated into saying 'Ground eating') gait. I have had many photo's over the years of Shepherds gaiting free in the field showing a similar side gait. Have you not yet realised that how quickly a dog moves its legs is not necessarily what makes it look fast, sometimes it just looks to be moving fast because its 'Far reaching stride' (another standard requirement), just so happens to eat up (cover) more ground than the dog behind who is making lots of forward movements which are not taking it very far (in other words does not possess a ground covering gait). Some dogs, failing in front angle or shoulder placement, are restricted in their front reach, some lift their front legs upwards in a hackney motion rather than thrust them forward, hence in the movement phase the far reaching dog with the ground covering gait will make both these other moving types looks like they are standing still. Again, that doesnt mean the dog (as shown above) is moving faster than the other, just that it is moving further away from the others with each stride. Indeed I have seen some dogs with legs moving hell for leather not being able to move away from a dog just loping along with his/her far reaching , economical stride.
For you education Mackenzie, that is what is meant by an economical stride, i.e the ability to cover the greatest distance with the least effort. It is also where the term 'Effortless, far reaching gait' came from. Now for your opinion as to whether I should be judging or not, actually I dont give a toss about your opinion and its all a bit irrelevant in any case, since I have proved my knowledge, experience and ability in GSD's, in my breeding, exhibiting and judging it over 30+yrs, what about you Mackenzie, wheres your proof? What precisely have you done to make the breed proud??
While your thinking about that, perhaps you should pay attention to what Missbeeb has said above quote "Who has said that they think soundness does not matter? NOBODY! " and have the decency to refrain from putting your words into other peoples mouths, as John , myself and most certainly David Payne are quite capable of speaking for ourselves.
Regards
Sue b
by arbeiter on 21 April 2010 - 16:04
sue B
nice looking dog-do you know the pedigree ?
nice looking dog-do you know the pedigree ?
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