Entering or Judging a GSD Event NOT recognised by the Kennel Club (UK)

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by Kaffirdog on 02 October 2009 - 18:10

"no one as far as I can hear has ever been injured by double handling"

Actually Mo, my 6 year old stepson was knocked down and bruised by a male double handler who flew at the kiddies father with his fists raised when he complained. I doubt if he was the first or the last person this has happened to or does someone have to end up in hospital before they are considered "injured"

Margaret N-J

by Videx on 02 October 2009 - 21:10

Unfortunately Margaret, injuries or incidents that are NOT formally verified, by reporting and independent investigation, and substantiated by witness(s), cannot be taken account of. Otherwise we will have anybody making such claims, especially those against double handling. Therefore your comment above is necessarily classified as "hearsay".

by pencil on 02 October 2009 - 22:10

sue b:

Sorry to have been so long replying, been a long day in court.

Have to admit you did hit a nerve connected to my Funny Bone lol !!!!

But also noticed as usual you ignored the important facts about puppies for sale etc etc.

Also you would need to tell your friend videx-that if any double handler knock over and injured a bystander, he would nowadays need to be insured !!

by singer on 02 October 2009 - 23:10

I am 100% for dumping the KC however, SV judges need permission to judge abroad from the SV and I think the SV would not want to upset the KC
Why do we need their CCs we should be concerned with the grading of our dogs as in Europe,

The question of people getting hurt by double handlers just put up a ring 4ft round the show ring just for double handling I have seen it in Australia and it works well, problem solved.

With the KC you tell them this is what we are doing and get on with it, we are not members as in a club they can't control us, we just use their registration facility .

by Videx on 03 October 2009 - 00:10

With the current situation developing in the UK for GSD, directly relating to the unreasonable intransigence of the Kennel Club, I am in no doubt whatsoever that the SV & WUSV will fully support their two WUSV members clubs here within the UK, if and when required.

The SV and many SV judges are being kept informed of developments here within the UK regarding the KC and the GSD breed. My articles concerning this matter are being published in many countries in their magazines, and in their own language, including Germany. My articles can also be read on my website in twenty different languages.

by Penny on 03 October 2009 - 00:10

Hi Margaret,
I`m sorry your sstepson got knocked down - and it can be avoided - as Singer says, in Aussie they have an inner ring, and at one of our shows - I think a British Seiger - we had an inner ring, which was fine. No - one in there but people enjoying atracting their dog to the best of their ability, and no spectators were affected.

When I said that there was no one as far ss I had heard getting injured, I was looking at the amount of shows - and talking worldwide, where double handling is the accepted norm to enjoy seeing your dog perform to its ability and look well - and when I was talking of all those shows, with all those people in Europe as well as the UK, I had not heard of any injuries such as hospitalisation.

I`m not condoning the facct that your little one was knocd over - there are always fools around in every sport, but when you look at the statistics of reality, no-one has had a bad injury as far as I have heard, and I am quite sure it would have been published loud and clear.

Mo.

by Kaffirdog on 03 October 2009 - 07:10

The incident with my stepson very nearly did get referred to the KC, the complaint fee was paid at the time and there were witnesses, it was withdrawn because of the possible repercussions to the club holding the show were considered. If outside attraction is confined to a controlled area, then there should be no problem, I've seen it done at a GSD show in the past.

Margaret N-J

by paulie on 03 October 2009 - 12:10

Hi.

     If we broke away from the KC and just reverted to being members of the GSDL league, or BAGSD, who in turn are member affiliated to the SV, who is actually going to judge our shows, because my understanding is that only SV approved judges are allowed to officiate at SV shows.

   Regards.

   Paul Rattigan.

by Alyson R on 03 October 2009 - 12:10

Paul, just out of interest, SV judges are already officiating at events (on a regular basis) which have not been sanctioned by the KC. I am referring of course to Schutzhund Trials. There has already been a precedent set for nearly every eventuality - just covering myselft by using "nearly"!!!!!!!

by paulie on 03 October 2009 - 13:10

Alyson, i agree with you, but the point i am making is the scenario if we step out of the KC "umbrella ". I dont know if the schutzhund dogs are KC registered, but i presume they are, if we break away, ours wont be.

Regards Paul.

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