Entering or Judging a GSD Event NOT recognised by the Kennel Club (UK) - Page 4

Hiya Paulie,
If we break away from the KC it would only have to be as far as holding our own shows are concerned, as there
would be nothing to stop us still registering our litters with the KC. The KC couldnt stop us because they have already said they cannot turn anybody away who wants to register their dogs, not unless the KC bans them under Disciplinary Rule 42.
But as explained earlier in this thread, in order to ban us under Rule 42 we must commit an Act or be connected with something Detrimental or Prejudicial to the interests of the Canine World. Running our own dogs shows, whereby entry demands Healthier Animals in that they have passed a Breed Survey and/or are the offspring of sire/dams that have passed the Breed Survey, cannot, by any stretch of the imagination be considered Detrimental or Prejudicial to the Canine World. Apart from which the KC have already set a precedent in that they have already sanctioned 5yrs of running these type of shows by giving their blessing to the running of the British Sieger. 
As to the other question you asked, re SV judges, I think you were perhaps worrying that none of our own British judges would be able to judge at any of the shows we would then be holding. This is also not the case, the SV does not have any jurisdiction to demand that you only use their judges. We have already used NON SV judges at our Sieger Show (judges of the baby classes in 2008 for example) however just as VA gradings can only be given at a Sieger Show I believe also they can only be given by a qualified SV judge, therefore the only shows we would necessarily HAVE to have an SV judge afficiating at would be our Sieger Show (Main Breed Show), the rest could be judged by a mixture of our own and SV judges as we do already.
I am sure someone will quickly come here to correct me if I am wrong, preferable with the appropriate SV rulings that state differently.
All the best
Susie x

My understanding of this is the same as yours Sue. I think we could be entering a very exciting period with the GSD in the UK.

With fingers tightly crossed Carol,  I hope you are right. Having now grasped the nettle we would be more than foolish to drop it again for we surely have never had a better time than we have right now. It has been talked about
for many years, now the time is right to stop talking and start doing. Actions speak louder than words. If its in our breeds best interest then we owe it to our dogs to get on with it, get ACTIVE and DO IT.
Regards
Sue b

Agree totally with Sue - the KC cannot refuse to register dogs - they have already made this statement. 
All the Schutzhund dogs are either registered with the KC or an FCI  recognised body 
All the breed has to do is define what registrations are acceptable - not a difficult task I would have thought.  

 

Sorry if someone has already said this, but, in relation to Championship, Open & Limit shows KC rule book  says
Disqualifications and forfeit of Awards 
"A dog may be disqualified by the General Committee from any award, whether an objection has been lodged or not, if proven, amongst other things to have been : a) Exhibited at an unrecognised show"

I know Zac, but just think how petty the KC would look if it did that. All it would mean is that KC shows would lose more entries because no-one would be bothered to enter at a KC show only to have awards taken off them if they entered at the British Sieger etc. Besides it would make them look like silly little children throwing a tantrum wouldnt it?
Regards
sue b

The more bullying and manipulative, undemocratic etc a body starts to be, the more I tend to retaliate and actually I am sure if they did do such a thing, a case of attempting to create a Monopoly could possibly be lodged against them, because that would be like saying "If you go to any other dog shows but ours we will punish you"!!  and I believe that could be faltering on rocky ground as far as our statutary human rights are concerned.  **Anyone with a Law Degree able to confirm this?

Regards
Sue b

ps **Hey Pencil, perhaps now is your time to shine, then again.....!!!
 

The KC has been here before with both Agility and Flyball and had to issue a statement to the effect that anyone competing in an unrecognised event would not be penalised by the KC.  Another precedent.

Sue : KC recognise the British Sieger don't they?

This "going it alone" seems to have gone from a complete break with KC and is now a very watered down of the origional proposal.

 

Perhaps lets ask the GSD Partnership to appraoch the KC in a forthright and upfront manner   i.e.

The GSD community intend to hold their own Spectacular Shows in 2012   - what will be the KC`s reaction to that.

Then we have one of two answers  - 

negative reaction to the people that take part .....or expecatation that we would,  and acceptance.

We will then know what we are doing and how it will affect us.  We can make informed decisions about 2012 and We will also be well in time to approach the monopolies commission, as it will certainly be undemocratic and forming a monopoly to dis-allow such without further reason.

We need to know now, not wait til December 2011 - we need these brilliant shows to start being organised....

Mo
Mascani.