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by Doppelganger on 27 February 2011 - 13:02
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/download/8288/DNA-Tests-Worldwide-2.pdf
by Videx on 27 February 2011 - 17:02
Abby Normal writes: "If their breeding policies take into account clears/carriers etc, there couldn't be any what you term 'breeder bashing."
Being realistic is important in any public discussion. You clearly illustrate inexperience and naivety.
From this comment it is clear that you are either NOT a breeder, if you are, you are NOT a well known and successful breeder. You should totally refrain from making such uninformed comments. My considerable experience as a well known and successful breeder of over 35 years, totally contradicts what you have written.
Being realistic is important in any public discussion. You clearly illustrate inexperience and naivety.
From this comment it is clear that you are either NOT a breeder, if you are, you are NOT a well known and successful breeder. You should totally refrain from making such uninformed comments. My considerable experience as a well known and successful breeder of over 35 years, totally contradicts what you have written.
by Abby Normal on 28 February 2011 - 00:02
Videx
I have to disagree with you on this. No I am not a breeder, that has been stated often enough, though I do have close friends in both GSD and other breeds who are breeders, and successful ones. Conversely they have not had the problems you describe - go figure. I guess every breeders experience is unique to them, and I dont doubt that a variety of other factors come into play.
I still maintain that if a breeder does everything right, there is no potential for attracting criticism, quite the opposite. Some are already leading the way, without any problems at all.
Doppelganger
In the GSD breed in the UK, it is questionable who, if anyone is leading the breed and determing what if any other breed specific health tests should be included for the breed. The regional group don't want anything to do with the KC, so that's out, but they don't have a viable alternative, and none of the other 'players' seem to be doing anything at all. The politics and fragmentation within the breed are making it's situation ever more vulnerable.
I have to disagree with you on this. No I am not a breeder, that has been stated often enough, though I do have close friends in both GSD and other breeds who are breeders, and successful ones. Conversely they have not had the problems you describe - go figure. I guess every breeders experience is unique to them, and I dont doubt that a variety of other factors come into play.
I still maintain that if a breeder does everything right, there is no potential for attracting criticism, quite the opposite. Some are already leading the way, without any problems at all.
Doppelganger
In the GSD breed in the UK, it is questionable who, if anyone is leading the breed and determing what if any other breed specific health tests should be included for the breed. The regional group don't want anything to do with the KC, so that's out, but they don't have a viable alternative, and none of the other 'players' seem to be doing anything at all. The politics and fragmentation within the breed are making it's situation ever more vulnerable.
by Videx on 28 February 2011 - 00:02
Abby Normal: and I strongly disagree with you on this point.
by Abby Normal on 28 February 2011 - 13:02
Videx
It is our prerogative to disagree.
by Liebe on 03 March 2011 - 10:03
The KC and Breed health.
I know if the breed club/council etc. were to get intouch with the KC and request a link with the lab for the results that this information can be sent directly to the kc and then published in the breed supplement and also published on the website and registration forms.
I got this information first hand from the Health department when I contacted them about MDR-1.
So all the GSD people need to do, is get a letter sent to the KC, requesting the information be gathered and which lab is being used. They will need to verify the test and the ownship of that test, but it is not hard to achieve.
I know if the breed club/council etc. were to get intouch with the KC and request a link with the lab for the results that this information can be sent directly to the kc and then published in the breed supplement and also published on the website and registration forms.
I got this information first hand from the Health department when I contacted them about MDR-1.
So all the GSD people need to do, is get a letter sent to the KC, requesting the information be gathered and which lab is being used. They will need to verify the test and the ownship of that test, but it is not hard to achieve.
by Videx on 03 March 2011 - 10:03
Liebe: This cannot be done.
In order for this to be done, the owner of the dog being tested must provide permission for publication by a named organisation on the form which would accompany the test. Similar to the BVA/KC Hip & Elbow schemes. NO such form exists for JRD, and certainly all the JRD tests already done have NOT provided such permission. When I conducted the JRD DNA Test Trial in the UK for 20 GSD at NO charge, I ensure such a form with such a clause was signed by each owner, however that information was privy to me, and I will certainly not provide it to the KC or any other organisation without further written express permission of the owners.
You should always remember that ANY health screening test done on dog by it owner requires their written permission/signature to publish, in order for any organisation to publish their results. SIMPLES!
In order for this to be done, the owner of the dog being tested must provide permission for publication by a named organisation on the form which would accompany the test. Similar to the BVA/KC Hip & Elbow schemes. NO such form exists for JRD, and certainly all the JRD tests already done have NOT provided such permission. When I conducted the JRD DNA Test Trial in the UK for 20 GSD at NO charge, I ensure such a form with such a clause was signed by each owner, however that information was privy to me, and I will certainly not provide it to the KC or any other organisation without further written express permission of the owners.
You should always remember that ANY health screening test done on dog by it owner requires their written permission/signature to publish, in order for any organisation to publish their results. SIMPLES!
by hutch on 03 March 2011 - 11:03
I have a very simple concern on this test
My understanding is that the sample is taken and submitted by the dog's owner.
There is no independant verification of the dog's identity required?
What is to stop an unscrupulous owner getting one clear result and then resubmitting samples from that animal over and over?
Without this independent verification I would be sceptical of results wehether published or not.
My understanding is that the sample is taken and submitted by the dog's owner.
There is no independant verification of the dog's identity required?
What is to stop an unscrupulous owner getting one clear result and then resubmitting samples from that animal over and over?
Without this independent verification I would be sceptical of results wehether published or not.
by Shepherdguy on 03 March 2011 - 12:03
Hutch... I couldn't agree with you more... so really the whole test could become a farce.
by Liebe on 03 March 2011 - 12:03
Videx. I apologise I should have said that the lab will need to ad a consent section on the form, so that all owners who send off for the test will consent to the fact that the lab will forward the results to the KC.
Once that arrangement is in place, all owners who have previously had the tests done, will be able to (if they want to) forward their results to the KC to also be added to the database.
And yes this is possible. This arrangement has been put in place between the KC and Laboklin for a genetic test.
It is in the breed's interest for as many test results to be published in a central place. Only by having details that can be verified will the tests be of benefit to the breed. After all there are people out there who give incorrect hip scores and these inconsistencies can be discovered using the KC health test link.
Once that arrangement is in place, all owners who have previously had the tests done, will be able to (if they want to) forward their results to the KC to also be added to the database.
And yes this is possible. This arrangement has been put in place between the KC and Laboklin for a genetic test.
It is in the breed's interest for as many test results to be published in a central place. Only by having details that can be verified will the tests be of benefit to the breed. After all there are people out there who give incorrect hip scores and these inconsistencies can be discovered using the KC health test link.
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