Litters affecting health - Page 4

tess and the rest of you that don't know what the hell you are talking about. i do regerster and i do get hips and elbows done prior to breeding and i also have some of the best working dogs out there.we are not a puppy mill and a lot of smaller breeders aren't either'. the hips and general health of my dogs are excellent. my kennels are kept  very cleaan,sprayed out with a high pressure hose.  we completely sanitaze each and ever week. i had some things to say to you all but the southern genteleman that i am, i refrained. ALSO, i have an investmen of 100,000 usd. me, make money.i don't think so. i never got into the dog breeding to make money. i do it because i want to, before i leave this place,have a bloodline that will make the capt. smile. i am retired, i have made my money.NOW I AM HAVING FUN. i sincerely hope you all do to.  THANKS JEFF O COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER.

sable59, why are you dragging my name into it? What post of mine talked about you doing hips and elbows and registering your dogs????  WTH?

Unless you are this person:  http://www.how-to-breed-dogs.com/frequency_of_dog_breeding.php .

sable59, is that you?  If not, what do I have to do with your rant?

Tess,it was me who brought up the subject of kc registering and hip scoring and i apologise for the confusion.to Sable59,i also apologise to you also for assuming you dont do these health tests.What i wont apologise for is my opinion on this subject.we were asked for our views by the OP and thats why i posted and i still stand by wot i believe and that is that i wont be breeding my bitches back to back at every season.I dont care whether my bitches are healthy and happy enuf to do this (which i believe they were when they were younger)now aged 10 and half and 8.If you wish to do this then that is your perrogative.every now and again is ok in my book but not on a continuous basis.Iwill advise anyone else who ask about this subject the same thing.I think there are more people who agree with me than yu Sable59 and Jeff O.,but dont want to come on here and be belittled .Carole Spelman.

Thanks, noddi.  No problem.

No problem either, sable59. 

 Quote: I think there are more people who agree with me than yu Sable59 and Jeff O.,but dont want to come on here and be belittled .Carole Spelman.

Just point out one place that I belittled you. I have a different opinion and you bringing up puppy mills as an arguement against breeding back to back doesn't hold water.

I am not even suggesting that people breed back to back, which I get the impression you think I am saying. What I am saying is that there is nothing wrong with it, and it is not unhealthy, unless there is something wrong with the bitch. 

Look at all the testing people have to do now. Look how many times people have had bitches not take. Then look at the false idea that breeding back to back is wrong, cruel, or makes you a puppy mill. I have seen bitches melt into skeletons after one breeding. Maybe by breeding only every once in a while, we have created the false impression that looking like a skeleton is normal after having pups. I am telling you that it is not, and to perpetuate this is going to have repercussions, the same that we see all the time.

You want your opinion heard, and I am ok with that, but having only done it one time, and seeing that the bitch was healthy and fine doesn't really jibe with the rest of what you wrote. 

tess.i have never seen so many people that is always so eager to argue. this is a thred. post and say what you want. don't throw rocks at somebody that don't do it like you or your group. i do what is best for my dogs not for me.I love my dogs and i will breed the way i'm breeding until someone,more knowledgeable than you folks tell me i am hurting my bitchrs.yhats all i have to say unless some throws a rock my way.  good night.

morning everyone.Jeff,i,m afraid your previous posts do read as yu were belittleing the ppl.who commented that they didnt believe that mating a bitch back to back at every season was good for the bitch.i still agree with my opinion,but thats just my opinion.i live in the uk and it is NOT THE DONE THING HERE.In fact the UK  KC in conjunction with advice from the british veterinary association are from 2012 restricting the litter size a bitch can have to be registered by them to 4 litters(gsd females not to be mated before 2 yrs)It is law also in the UK that bitches should only whelp 6 litters.I also agree that it is considered the norm for us to expect our females to look like skeletons after having had pups.My bitches have looked pretty fine when they have had wot i consider an average litter(6/8)pups,but when my Otti had her last litter of 12(when pups were about 10/12wks)they didnt go to their new homes till then as we had a dispute re.fuel cost rises and no gas(petrol/diesel)was being delivered to the petrol stations,my bitch suddenly lost coat and body condition and my near neighbour phoned the RSPCA coz she was concerned about my bitch and i had a visit from them.So here in the uk,it appears many would NOT consider mating their females back to back every season.Carole S..

Bazza see details here:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/forum/90447.html

HI CAROLE
SAME THING AGAIN ,,LIKE YOU MY BITCH  ALWAYS LOOSES CONDITION AND COAT AFTER LITTERS ,,BUT THANKFULLY SHE HOLDS UP UNTILL PUPS HAVE GONE TO NEW FAMILYS
AND YES ITS SHOWLINES I BREED AND VERY PROUD TO DO SO ,,,AND OF COURSE LIKE EVERYONE WHO LOVES THEIR DOGS MINE ARE THE BEST LOL
BUT AGAIN I WOULD LIKE TO SAY DESPITE ALL THE SCIENTIFIC STUDIES AND PRO/ ADVICE
 GIVEN ,,ONLY A GOOD OWNER AND COMMON SENCE KNOWS THERE DOG 
ALTHOUGH  MY BITCH HAD 2 LRG LITTERS WITH IN A YEAR ,,SHE DID HAVE 2 SEASONS BETWEEN 
EVEN SO THE LITTERS WERE  NOTICABLY DIFFERENT IN SIZE,,AND THAT I PUT DOWN TO NOT GIVING HER ENOUGH TIME TO GET BACK IN CONDITION FULLY  
UNTILL THIS TIME I HAD NEVER HAD A STILLBORN OR FADER , BUT I HAD ALSO NEVER MATED SO SOON AFTER THE PREVIOUS LITTER ,,
THUMBS UP TO THE NEW LAW ,,,BUT IM SURE PPL WILL FIND A WAY AROUND IT
SHARMA