I really do like the look of these Shepherds - Page 5

"Im with Prager on this"
Ditto!!

"Am not breeding these dogs. Someone else is and i do like the look of them."

Supporting this breeder by purchasing their product is just as bad as breeding them yourself.  You are perpetuating the market...supply and demand.

"Again i said i would consider these breeders. Not that i was actually 100% thinking of buying from them!"
Good I hope this thread has made you RE-consider

"Am not against any of you and that may suprise you but this post was clearly a mistake...."
Sure people jumped on you but this was not a mistake if it has opened your eyes at all.  Take it with a grain of salt, a nice nudge wouldn't have opened your ears...sometimes it takes a slap in the face...that is what you got.  I hope it worked.

geordie, if you are not involved with these dogs, I apoligize to you.

It was just a little diffulcult to understand how someone spends any amount of time at all on this board and not gain even rudimentary knowledege of what a GSD is. I am not asking you to accept my idea of a GSD. Or anyone's else's idea. I am asking that you at least read and understand the standard so you have some idea of what a GSD is and should be and then make your choice from knowledege.

Educate yourself on the healt issues that can be encountered. Many are very hearbreaking and also very expensive to live with.

I do not think this thread is a mistake at all. The only mistake will be if you have learned nothing from the very sound advice given by some pretty knowledegable people.

best,
Rik

Geordie
you said:. I honestly hope your idea for the breed goes far but them idea's are not the idea's of everyone involved in the breed.
Look I do not want to beat you up. Really. That is the best way to make you bitter.But let me tell you about your statement which I am mentioning here.
It is not about my idea or your idea or someones idea about the breed. It is about what the breed was originally intended to be. It is the idea of Max v Stephanitz. I suggest that you get his book and read it.Then if you do not like Max v Stephanitzes idea of what GSD should be then go and orient your self towards another breed. There is notheing wrong with that. I guess the reason people are so upset with yu is that you have asked many questions here and then you have come with this type of a dog. I have responded to you few times myself and now  feel like a failure. It is maddening. I am trying to promote proper GSD that is a working dog  and this is a result of my and people's here effort.
Don't get bitter Don't get discouraged. Get that book I have told you about. ....and read it. Book is not cheap, but it is what you need and thus well worth it. 

http://www.amazon.com/German-Shepherd-Dog-Word-Picture/dp/9993280054

Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

These breeding lines that you have mentioned have come up several times in posts concirning genetic issues, 1 breeder has had to cut these lines from their breeding program, and if memory serves me right you your self have been involved in one of these posts, when an owner has been open about issues,and you gave them a slating, these posts have been deleted from the forum, so why would you want a pup from these lines, only to allow these breeders to continue with their breeding and perpetuate problems.
It's way to easy  to sit and make excusses why these problems wont concirne you ,but you wont think so if you are the one landed with a young dog in agorny with HD or Addisons or any other genetic problem occurs in your pup,
These dogs being bred from high scores can and do produce problems
And befor you say any dog can produce a dysplastic pup,yes they can but at least the breeders choosing to breed from low scored dogs have tried to reduce the fact, No person that has any real intrest in the breed would concider breeding from dogs that do not conform with the breed standered and defo will not breed from animals that do not come within the health test requirements
If you want a long coated dog, their are many that are produced from reputable kennels that come within the standered and health requirements

They're cute, but certainly don't look like German Shepherds. I wouild think "cross" if I saw one walking down the street. Not my cup of tea, but to each their own.  :)

-Melanie
vom Felsenhof German Shepherds

They're cute, but certainly don't look like German Shepherds. I wouild think "cross" if I saw one walking down the street. Not my cup of tea, but to each their own.  :)

-Melanie
vom Felsenhof German Shepherds

 Hip scores are important even if you are not planning on breeding. Its no fun living with a dysplastic dog, i do every day and so do many others.
You only have to look at the bva hip score results on the videx site to see how many bad scores have come from the dog that sired the recent litter for these kennels.
It obviously runs down the lines.

by Merryvale on 11 September 2010 - 22:09 Merryvale

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Geordiegaviino

Can I ask why you are still considering this breeder?This breeder has some truly dreadful hip scores in their lines.Thry have Aristima in there as well and Aristima themselves admitted there was a problem with Epilepsy.
There are a lot of very good breeders here in the UK that breed from good quality dogs,why would you bother with breeders who really don't care about the puppies they produce or the people they sell to.
Oh yes they can talk the talk but when it comes down to it all they care about is the money,not the pain and distress they cause through their atrocious breeding programs.

I didnt know Aristima had epilepsy in their lines. To be honest am not considering them anymore. I just dont like being talked down too, so i wasnt going to back down. I cant defend epilepsy though can i? Not that i had much of a argument when it came to the high hips.

Yes your right there jj73. I have 2 dogs, both with severe HD(scores in the sixties) and although they are happy, life with them is always ruled by their limitations and I monitor them closely on a daily basis.
 Breeders that breed regardless of health tests are beyond contempt