Dogs That Catch Your Eye - Page 6

Xeph,
What is so incorrect about his movement?....just wondering what you see....you say he is not very correct at all...
I have my "opinion", but I'd like to hear yours too...
And I do think he is a very handsome looking dog......very nice head shot!
Robin

I don't care for his topline or compactness.  I'd like to see more length of loin (NOT a lot, and I'm sure him roaching over the loin exacerbates his shortness).  I'm not seeing any power off the drive in the rear and he has no extension in front.  From what I see in this picture I'd wager he kicks up in motion.  I prefer something like Yello St Michaelsberg

Also, unrelated to the above, I found this bitch for sale:

I don't care for her head at all, but LOVE the rest of her!  Nice moderate bitch.  I'd like to see a bit better turn of stifle and shorter hock, but she's very striking to me :D

 I like this bitch



I think she a perfect example of what the standard look for..nicely angulated a both end..firm back, short in boby, feminine, nice slopping croup..short hocks..nice pasterns and feet. I would take her in a minute!

Xeph,
That dog pictured has a very strong topline....his fault in the topline is that his croup is short.
He is a shorter coupled dog...(.where is there any "roaching"?)...the highest point on his topline is his wither and shoulder.
His "rear drive" is most likely slightly inhibited by his croup length, and the restriction with his "reach" is due to his length and angle of upperarm....
Longer bodied dogs seem to move "nicer" as long as their front and rear are balanced.
The dog in the picture is still a pretty good structured dog......his faults are not beyond the "limits" or extreme.
He is not a perfectly correct dog, but none actually are........but I do believe that he should be a soundly structured dog by this picture.
Our "preferences" will usually cause us to see dislikes and faults with a specific picture of a dog.....thats ok...
But I think we should all be able to also see "objectively".....What  we personally may not like .......doesn't necessarily mean it is incorrect or extreme.
Xeph....this is just my opinion....I'm not criticizing your perspective nor de-valuing your opinion. (is that even a word)?
Robin

I personally do not like to see ANY curve of the topline when a dog is in motion.  That is what bothers me.

july, I too love Tina Zellergrund!

Xeph,
You do know that the German dogs have a slight "slope" downward in movement.......the wither should be the highest point of the topline, the rear slightly lower.   No back/topline should be a "table".
I too like july9000's female picture.....nice bitch.....her topline is also slightly sloping, from wither to croup properly...
Sorry.....I do not care much for the female you posted......too much length of midsection for me personally, and the length & angle of upperarm is also too short, which also shows her shoulder/wither is not back far enough. 
Her movement, should be compromised by her faults.
But again......I am not trying to "pick apart" someones dog.......
I am only stating that what "one person's eye beholds".....is not what another may.....
Robin

July, that's a GORGEOUS bitch! I'd grab her in a second, too! She's got much better bone and a nicer arm and shoulder than the one Xeph posted. Her proportions (length of back to height) are more correct, too.

I will add in the most jaw dropping dog I have ever seen in person was Yasko. Watching him move gave me goosebumps. I have seen some beautiful dogs, but nothing that compares to me.  Seeing Kevin in person was a thrill as well, but Yasko...wow.

Another favorite of mine in photo has always been the late, beautiful Kliff Trollbachtal. www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/120049.html A repeat breeding yeilded the successful Drago Pallas Athene, but to me (again, in photo) I prefer Kliff. I was a huge fan of Nero Nohbachtal, as well. He was truly in line to be VA1 before he was banned. I remember opening my Urma book to his phoo and saying: "woooooooooooow!"

But looks aside, what really catches my eye is a strong performance test and a low ZW. Poor work will make a beautiful dog look useless to me.

What do you all think of this dog? www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/559588.html  Excellent placing for such a young dog, I would speculate that with good progeny he could move up to VA?

No back/topline should be a "table".

I think this becomes an interpretation of the standard.  The dog should have a level topline in motion, which I do not equate to table, but do equate to straight,

Sunsilver, I do not care for the front of the bitch I posted, but I do appreciate her topline and moderation in the rear.  I also feel that the bitch I posted has bone proper for her size and proportions, the same goes for Tina

Xeph,
If the wither and shoulder is properly placed, and the rear is correct postion (being the lowest part of the topline) and the back ligaments are firm........you will not get a level (table) topline.......it will ever slightly reach downward from top to bottom.
This is also why there is a huge difference between German and American lines.
Look at the best German dogs in motion.......then look at the American dogs in movement........there will always be a difference.
The bitches that were posted.....the 2nd bitch will have a nice, slight curve downward in motion!
If you prefer American lines....that is your perogative and no one should tell you otherwise.
But a German dog that moves and looks like most America dogs.......is usually, a  poor speciman of a German bred dog.
I am not refering to dogs like Jim Fiemereck..(who did well in the American ring-under the right judges)...he was all German, and like it or not......he looked and moved like one. I saw him in person many times.
I appreciate all the GSD bloodlines American & German, I try to not compare one to the other.....it's like comparing apples and oranges....and it's not fair.
I think a nice looking dog is just that...a nice looking dog......whether it's most "correct" in my eyes or not.
Have a nice day.....gotta go to work.
Robin