Showline Sable GSDs - Page 6

Michele....thats a beautiful dog!  working or show.
Sables come in so many different "color" patterns.........they are simply amazing.
I personally love them.
Robin

I've never seen a black sable showline dog (like the picture of Aron above).

Here is a very "blanket" showline dog, out of a sable mother (daughter of Timo)

 Thanks Robin for clarifying Vom Marischal's query (also I would point out that the female in question has lost black hairs but does not have and never did have black-tipped hairs that are lighter at he base, she also can never have sable puppies unless she breeds with a sable male) and Liesjers, esp. for the puppy pictures  - I wanted to post some but unfortunately it never seems to work for me in the messages and I have not had much time to keep trying. I can post photos in the pedigree section, no problem.  But when I try to post one here the photo uploads to the server, I see the preview, I click OK - then I can wait for ever, it seems to start loading but just gets stuck, i have gone away and left it for more than 30 minutes and it still says "completed 86 of 89 items" or something similar and never  moves from there.  if anyone has any suggestions please let me know...I have made the pics smaller in photoshop too...

Michele, there was once a showline sable dog who competed here, not quite but nearly as dark as the one you posted, I really admired his colour.  His father was a lighter showline sable and his mother a showline black/red.  His name was Uran de Casa de Campo.  I just looked briefly in the website of our association but could not find a decent photo of him, if I do I will try yet again.  we even have a few black showline dogs competing here....in my opinion its good to see all the accepted colours in the show ring, but I am particularly fond of the sables!

 Another interesting point - many breeders believe that using a sable male will help to improve the black markings in the black/red offspring - eg if the female Vom Marischal mentions is bred with a sable male her black/red progeny may be expected to have more solid, longer-lasting black saddles than the mother.  I am not sure how true this is but would be interested in anyone's experience with this.  Certainly I have bred black/red dogs from Timo lines, most of them have very solid black saddles and dark masks, but I do not have enough examples to be conclusive about this.

Hi Oso,
I think that it depends on the genetic background of the sable.
Yes, Timo himself was recommended to improve black markings and coloring overall by Mr. Meßler but Timo did not produce brown/red pigment (most likely due to his Fanto side). On the other hand, Arlett sables are not necessarily known for an abundance of black. Of course, all dogs have motherlines as well.
Everything amounts to personal tastes, but I think that rich pigment is very important, regardless of any other breeding preferences. So, we always keep that in mind and so far, have always been lucky when it comes to that. Also, fading sables are worse than light black and tans in my opinion.

Pharao,
I would love to see that kind of sable pigment in the showring again. Maybe, one of these days.... (dreaming!)

Robin,

That is Aron vom Poppitz, he is Pharaoh's father.  I think he is beautiful and has a very good conformation.

www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/444418.html

He is a DDR dog but the funny thing is I found one of my all time favorites in the seventh generation Marko Cellerland.  Who could resist Marko.  He was a great dog. 

Michele

What do you do if you have registered a black puppy that ends up with tan-tipped legs later? 

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 Not sure how it works where you are, but here the dog would be presented to the breed warden and the appropriate changes made to the pedigree.  Here we may possibly have a similar situation with a black puppy I posted about a while ago, only nobody is quite sure if it is really black or very , very dark sable (I think black though it has some lighter markings, because most of the hairs are solid black).

Chris, I know exactly what you mean, I have seen a few very pale, washed-out sables that are not at all attractive.  And no, the rich red colour does not  usually come from Timo lines, in the case of my young male it is from his mother (Yasko Farbenspiel - Baru Haus Yu lines).  On the other hand from Timo we get strong, expressive heads, good bone strength, dark masks and usually good front angulation with excellent movement - in my rather limited experience anyway!

I like competing with sable dogs , but it has its challenges!  Some judges just do not like them while others will be reluctant to put a sable in first place if there is another dog of similar quality in the same category, especially in an important show. On Storm has won first place 6 times (2nd in our sieger though) and has always been on the podium.  The other disadvantage is that its difficult to get together a progeny groups as  many breeders  just don' t want to use a sable dog, they will get far fewer good females than a black/ red dog despite their show results.  We had this problem with Storm's father, he was good in many was but was never in great demand for breeding and sired very few litters.  He lacked the more "glamourous" red colour of his son, so I will be interested to see what happens now...