KC Meeting with GSD club representatives -(fact not fiction) - Page 6

Please note the KC advise 0 or 1 grade Elbows for parents if considering breeding .Please make sure you send in the appropriate KC fee`s when registering your puppies or they will be returned . But remember we will accept your money for the registrations and register your pups if the  grade of  the parents on elbows are up to and including 3 ( 4 grades) or if you wish no grade is required but  please remember the fees, this is Kennel Club requirements.
Breed Council survey requirements as from now , any dogs presented for a survey if born on or after 1/1/2010 will require an elbow score which can be 0-1-2, this allows the three grades to be used to obtain a Class One should all the other criteria required for a Class 1 be obtained as before. At a later date this will be reviewed. For many years now since it`s  compulsory introduction 3 grades have been used in Germany A,B,C, which was deemed necessary at that time to make sure good dogs were not lost to the new requirements. I am sure at some time in the future this will also be reviewed.
This new initiative by the Breed Council still leaves it open for people to chose if they want to breed their dogs with  Grade 2 elbows, if they decide not to breed they can still be shown at our shows based on WUSV rules . What the Breed Council now have is an exclusion grade with Elbows ( Grade 3) the same  as we have with the Hips where you cannot enter a survey with a score over 20.
 I see this totally different from my opening comments on the KC testing requirements where you are recommended to do one thing but even as an Accredited Breeder you can do as you wish and still register your pups and breed with failure grades.
John Ward

Dingodog,

I am not completely naive and of course I am aware that having health tested parents  does not automatically guarantee that puppies will be free from defects.  I do however stand a much better chance of getting a healthy pup if I go to a breeder who does the health tests as opposed to an unscrupulous breeder who does not.  If I were to go to a breeder that did all the tests but I was still unlucky enough to end up with a dog that say for instance had hip dysplasia, well that would be very unfortunate but at least I would know that the breeder had done their best to try to prevent such an occurence rather than just breed untested dogs and hope for the best!

Yes, Jodie you are exactly right - if you go to any breeder, whether showline or not - who does health tests then you have done your best. No matter what the propaganda is put about, it isn't just 'showline' people who health test, and they are not difficult to find. The choice to health test has always been there for every breeder. Not everyone chose to do it, including some showline. One can only assume that they were waiting for it to be made mandatory.

Arbeiter - Yes I can string a sentence together which appears to be more than you can. As my old teacher would say spelling, punctuation and grammar well below average. So, are YOU one of them?

Bazza - old argument. That's not supporting the KC (unless mentioning the KC in any context is 'supporting' them, as seems to be the case) It is a fact, and I am just pointing out the irony of it.

A good explanation John. I don't agree with this high an elbow score being used, but there we go. Some may think it may be a good thing to impose such a limitation and if necessary lose those dogs, thereby encouraging breeders to go out to other lines that are consistently producing good elbows, who may not be so genetically bottlenecked as the dogs are now.

Dinodog

Your wasting your time with this lot ! They know it all ! But beleive me when I say this AGAIN ! Most of them have only THEIR own self intersts at heart ! They may think that Joe Public is going to sway their way but beleive me BAR the HEALTH CHECKS Joe Public has more sense & whether they like it or not most of them , in this country anyhow ,look to the KC for guidence . Most non exhibitors that I know  that have attended these shows can not understand the running around , shouting , exagerrated & hyper dogs. And you can add ignorrant to that list because when you question them how offencive & cheeky do they get ?

no fear- when you say exagerated dogs do you mean those that resemble oversized corgis or those that have huge dips in their back, that one gets the overwhelming disre to throw a saddle on ?

dinodog- surely you mispelt your alias-don't you mean DINO-ROD ( as you keep whallowing deep in the sh*t )

NOFEAR - I know that they think they know it all, and cannot for one second see any other perspective, but I like to have my say. I also think it is important for people without any agenda to put their view across, it adds a bit of  fresh water to an otherwise stagnant pool. Anyhow, what would they all do if we didn't get on here for them to shoot at?  The insults don't bother me,  it simply denotes a lack of intelligence to have the ability to formulate an answer to a question/argument/debate. Reminds me of a childhood playground, and in many ways I find it highly amusing.

I agree, there is a huge amount of (concealed) self interest in the world of showing and breeding. Don't you just love the breeder with a dozen dogs who say they are not in it for the money?

You are right, the public will always go to the KC, as the KC are so big, and they are so small. Apart from which the Kennel Club are presenting themselves very well in this situation whereas..........However, I do agree with them on mandatory health testing, even though their grading for elbows for breeding is out of synch with everywhere else, which is very disappointing.

I agree with you the Double Handling is just hilarious. I actually think it would be a shame to see it go, it is far more entertaining than watching the dogs in the ring

Dingodog -
 
The public will always go to the KC, I thought you were a well read person but it seems that only the snippets that you like or agree with.  Have a good read of the Dog press you will see that the KC are being lambasted from all angles and from all breeds, they are seeing that the KC is a money making machine with only their self interest at heart.

Many on here are choosing to ignore the likes of nofear and a certain naughty little schoolboy, sadly I think you are heading the same way. 

 Dingodog & no fear - clearly two thoroughbred arseholes, so obviously full of crap!